The Waffle Zone... Episode 361

This week on The Waffle Zone:

1. The Pink Yin to the Rodent Yang

2. Leprous, Killers and The Stone Roses

3. Bill and Steve

4. A genius musicer

5. Gen's rebuttal

6. 66

7. Bloodied Hopes

8. The Final Cut

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:48

Hello, and welcome to the waffle zone. My name is Uncle Steve, and I am the uh director of things around here. Make sure things go smoothly, if you will. And uh especially when Matt's not here, which unfortunately for us this week, he is not here again. But joining me on the line all the way over in Perth, Australia, is everybody's favorite replacement for Matt. The Yannick Gurz of the podcast, I think she once called herself. I got Kirsty Prince on the line. Am I right, Kirsty? How are you? Yeah, yep. You did say that once, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:32

Yes, I'm lucky to be here and to be kept on.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

I told, I was telling my wife earlier, I said, the funny thing about the podcast is the only reason Kirsty's still there is because of Matt. The only reason Matt's still there is because of Kirsty. So it's kind of this catch 22. And I said, and the only reason I'm there is because of both of them.

SPEAKER_06 1:51

So Yeah, because we won't start our own podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

That's right. And that's the only way I can hear y'all. So uh so you're doing all right.

SPEAKER_06 1:59

I'm doing fine, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 2:01

Excellent, excellent, very good. And uh let's see here. You were not here last week. Last week I had Ballad on here. How did you think Ballad did as a replacement for Matthew?

SPEAKER_06 2:10

Oh, he was awesome. Yeah? Um, yeah, absolutely. And I I always like to hear somebody come on that has like slightly different musical tastes. Because I even though like you and Matt listen to a vast array of music, and you know, there's a there's usually a surprise or two every week when you get someone completely different on. Yeah, it's uh yeah, it's a refreshing change sometimes. And um, you know, and I it's a shame I wasn't there in a way because I really like all the the Madch Chester stuff he was talking about. So I'd have been interested in that, and I was interested to hear that.

SPEAKER_01 2:49

Well, good, good. I wasn't really I I was I was hanging by a thread most of the time. I could kind of wasn't sure.

SPEAKER_06 2:56

Well, I I think he didn't know too much about your music, but he managed to like he did really good.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

I told him he pulled it out of the foil. Well, yeah, usually usually Matt's reaction is we're on Twitter. Yeah, Matt's reaction is usually just uh could could you repeat that please?

SPEAKER_03 3:16

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

So well, how about we um well let's see before I get into the do are there any any big announcements we need to make about Iron Maiden?

SPEAKER_06 3:24

Anything that's happened in the last week or two that maybe has been past about Iron Maiden, no?

SPEAKER_01 3:30

Okay, okay. Just making sure because I know I read things and then sometimes you just forget. So especially at my age, you know. So so I guess the cur question would be, Kirsty, is this past week what music have you been listening to? Because I know uh everybody wants to know.

SPEAKER_06 3:47

Now, you know, I did listen to the uh this was the sort of news I was thinking of, the uh Tony Iomie song.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Oh yeah, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:55

W you know, which I quite liked. I thought it was gonna be a bit power metal-y, but it was not. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Um why did you wait, why did you think power metal, by the way?

SPEAKER_06 4:05

Oh, I just thought the the the singer Yorn was a title singer.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

Fair, okay.

SPEAKER_06 4:10

But the style of the music wasn't particularly, and he's a very good singer.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:15

Um, but then immediately after, Spotify put me onto a couple of songs to do with uh the fragrance that he had out a couple of years ago. Oh yeah. I'd completely forgotten about that, and that was absolutely crazy, was it not?

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Were there were there two songs? I know Scents of Dark is the one I remember. I don't remember the other one.

SPEAKER_06 4:32

Yeah, and the other one was called Deified.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

Oh, okay. How was that one?

SPEAKER_06 4:36

You know, they were both pretty good songs, they were quite doomy. I just like the fact that he he released a fragrance and some music to go with it and everything.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 4:46

I think it was COVID though, so he probably had a bit of time on his hands. It made me makes me want to go and find it and smell it.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Yeah, I've heard it's pretty pricey as well.

SPEAKER_06 4:57

Yeah, no, I just wanna I just wanna like have a little tester in the shop. I'm not buying it. Um so yeah, so there was there was that, but that's not an album. But um I don't know if you're gonna be that excited by much that I've listened to this week, to be honest. Uh oh. Um I've listened to Killers.

SPEAKER_01 5:16

The band?

SPEAKER_06 5:17

The album.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 5:18

The album by Iron Maiden.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

Oh, that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 5:22

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 5:24

Did you listen to the version with Twilight Zone? Yes.

SPEAKER_01 5:29

Okay, good. That's the best one.

SPEAKER_06 5:31

Absolutely. I love Twilight Zone. Um, and then I was in the mood for a bit more of uh that era and I watched the live at the rainbow video.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 5:43

I don't know if you've seen like one of Adrian's first shows really that you get to see him. That's really cool that they have that. You know, and they're all just still really young and aggressive and everything. Um the lyrics for killers are completely different.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

I have seen that. I've I have seen that that video of that song at least.

SPEAKER_06 6:05

So yeah, that was good.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Uh were the old lyrics better, do you think, or the new lyrics better? The current, the real, the ones on the song.

SPEAKER_06 6:12

Uh the real ones. I mean, if the old ones, if he was genuinely making them up on the spot, which I doubt, um, then very, very good. But yeah, no, it's interesting. I I think I like aspects of both.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Yeah. And it it's funny. Uh wait, wait, that's not the right song. Which song says I've never killed a woman before, but I know how it feels. Sanctuary. Okay. It's funny though that Paul Diano sings that lyric.

SPEAKER_06 6:38

It is indeed. I don't think he wrote it though.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

He probably felt it in his gut though when he was saying it though.

SPEAKER_06 6:45

Well, you know, this is sadly, this is maybe why I think he's like so great for that era.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

Yeah, that's true. Good point.

SPEAKER_06 6:53

Now, thanks to Ballad, I've been listening to you. The Stone Roses, your absolute favourite.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

Oh boy. The the their debut album, maybe?

SPEAKER_06 7:02

Their debut album. Self-titled.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

Remind me again, what what style of music was that?

SPEAKER_06 7:10

Well, I mean, it's kind of like it's kind of almost like Jangly 60s pop. They kind of brought that in. Um it kind of influenced the British indie scene.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 7:22

But also they've got the one song Fool's Gold that kind of got a lot of people played at Raves and at Dance and everything.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 7:31

Even though none of the rest of their music's really like that. I mean, they've got a really great guitarist, John Squire, who's still doing lots of things to this day. Um John Squire?

SPEAKER_01 7:41

Did who else did he play with? His name sounds familiar.

SPEAKER_06 7:45

Yeah, it should um I can't think of anything. I mean, ocean colour scene. Okay, I guess I can think of off the top of my head, but that'd be more sure.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

Maybe I'm thinking of another Squire, not not Billy Squire. I know that. Oh no, no. Chris Squire is a guitar player as well, I think.

SPEAKER_06 8:02

Oh for somebody.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Look at you.

SPEAKER_06 8:07

When we're on the Squires. Um yeah, no, so it's a great album. It had seven hit singles.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

Wow. That's a lot of hit singles.

SPEAKER_06 8:18

And then it was like forever before they could get the next one out because of management problems and that's a shame though. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

I'm not a fan, but it's a shame when a band has those kind of problems and then just fades away. Loses all their momentum and things like that.

SPEAKER_06 8:43

And another band from Manchester that uh Ballad referenced, but it wasn't because of Ballad. Um I was just sitting downstairs reading a book and I could hear Chloe playing some music really loudly. And it was a song called There Is a Light That Never Goes Out. It's by the Smiths. And oh my god, I was absolutely delighted to hear it. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Is that the Morrissey band?

SPEAKER_06 9:08

Um yes, it is.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 9:11

And then she's just been listening to this playlist, and it's really funny because she heard a song that's called Back to the Old House, and I would have thought that was more of a deep cut, and she was like, Oh, I really love this song. And so she's obviously been listening to them for a while. And I was encouraging this because I really enjoy it. I I just played the playlist every time we got in the car together last week. So I've been listening to the Smiths a lot, and I said to her, I said, Chloe, Morris is not a great person. She was like, Oh, I said, No, no, nothing like that, but he says a lot of stupid things and he's always cancelling his concerts. Yeah, don't ever even think about buying a ticket if he comes here, which he won't, because he don't think he likes traveling that much. Yeah, um, and then guess what? He's just done, he's just cancelled a concert. Yeah, I saw somebody post me right there.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

I saw that, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:08

Still, I still think I still think he's a great musician, but oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Well, I'll say something.

SPEAKER_06 10:13

Stop whining. If you don't want to do it, don't do it.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

Yeah. Sarah has there's a like she likes you know who the artist Billy Joel is? Yes, I do. There like she likes some of his stuff, and there's one time she's playing me a song and she goes, Oh, this is probably my favorite Billy Joel song. And I don't and and it's a song I've never heard ever. And I'm like, Sarah, I grew up in the time when Billy Joel's music was like insanely popular through the 70s and 80s, and and I'm like, and I've never heard that song. Oh no, that was one of his most popular. I go, no, it wasn't. So I think it might be now. Yeah, I think she because she even looked it up and like it was so high on the on the place. I'm like, it wasn't a hit, it certainly wasn't a hit single or anything, because I mean that would have been on MTV or something.

SPEAKER_06 10:59

It's either um on a it's either used for TikTok or been on TV.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

Or on a movie, yeah, like on a movie or something, yeah, exactly. They're discovering a lot of music that way these days, so yeah, which is awesome. Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_06 11:11

I mean, you discover it however you can get it. As long as you enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01 11:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:17

Uh listen to a bit of Led Zeppelin, and I don't know if it was um that little reel you sent me about Led Zeppelin at LiveAid.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Oh gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:26

Set me onto it. Oh that was rough. Train wreck that was.

SPEAKER_01 11:31

It was all Phil Collins' fault, though.

SPEAKER_06 11:34

Yeah, so they say, but poor old Phil Collins. He was he was set up to fail. Yeah. Well nobody was on top of their game that day.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 11:46

Thing is, he could look back on that because he did that, he did that set in the UK, Phil Collins did.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Uh-huh. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_06 11:53

Then played with Sting, then went over to America.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:58

On the same day, played, played the same set again, then played with Eric Clapton.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

At another live.

SPEAKER_06 12:06

We'd all be like, that is so epic. And uh yeah, got coming on with the Led Zeppelin kind of spoiled it a little bit for him.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Yeah, but still it's something that very few other drummers have ever done, so that's right.

SPEAKER_06 12:22

Um so I I don't know why I went for In Through the Outdoor, because it's not their best. I kind of I kind of was listening to it and I thought, why did I choose this one? But it's okay. And sometimes it's good to listen to one you don't listen to all the time. Um, it's got a lot of synths on it.

SPEAKER_01 12:40

Is it like their last album?

SPEAKER_06 12:42

Yeah, it's their last album. It was mostly written by Robert Plant and John Paul Jones because Jimmy Page and John Bonham weren't quite with it at the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Is that does it have that song All of My Love on it?

SPEAKER_06 12:54

All of My Love, yes.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

I do like that song. I think that's a nice song.

SPEAKER_06 12:57

I do like that song, yeah. Yeah. I think that might have been why I went for it.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:01

Um here's one. Here's something you do know.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Alright, here we go.

SPEAKER_06 13:08

Bit lucky. Crosby Stills, Nash and Young.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

Oh, Nash and Young, was it what deja vu?

SPEAKER_06 13:14

So far, which is Oh, it's a great assessment. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:20

Um but I got like really nostalgic. Usually when you sort of get nostalgic, it's kind of in your teens and twenties when you listen to music, but this is like from being a like really little kid.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:30

And just looking at the cover art and remember seeing it on my dad's vinyl and everything.

SPEAKER_01 13:35

Huh.

SPEAKER_06 13:36

And that picture that was drawn by Joni Mitchell.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

Oh, I did not know that.

SPEAKER_06 13:41

It's such a great album. It's got all the hits.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

It's really good, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:46

Yeah, it's probably.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Have you ever listened to American Dream? Much?

SPEAKER_06 13:51

Yeah. Not much.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

I really like that one. It's it's kind of corny, you know, the way the song, that song in particular, but it's a good album. I really like it.

SPEAKER_06 14:01

Well, maybe I'll if I'm looking for something this week, I'll bear that in mind.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

And you know why Neil Young played on that album, why he came back to the band, right?

SPEAKER_06 14:10

No do tell.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Because uh, wait a minute. David Crosby had went to prison for drugs. And Neil Young basically said, if you get when you get out, if you get cleaned up, I'll do another album with you guys. I believe that's what happened. And I'm sure if I'm wrong, Feck can uh can tell us the truth because he's a he is a d he is a uh Neil Young nut. But I know it isn't he. Yeah, he certainly is. He's in he's in like the Neil Young, like where he pays, I think he pays to have access to all of Neil Young's archives or something like that that he has out there. And I'm just like I don't think I'd want to hear all Neil Young's archives. He's got he has got some bizarre albums, you know.

SPEAKER_06 14:56

He's just imagine if we could hear like anything that uh Maiden have looking around that hasn't been released or something.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

I don't think they have much that's well maybe live albums and things like that, I guess, but maybe maybe if they had the um the Senjutsu live album out there where we could get access to it. Yeah, yeah, and it would be. Sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt. I just uh I I thought about American Dream when you said No, that's okay.

SPEAKER_06 15:26

I mean uh what can you say about Crosby Stills, Nash and Young?

SPEAKER_01 15:30

They're awesome.

SPEAKER_06 15:31

Exactly. And you know, I just think I just wanted to listen to something kind of chill.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:38

And to continue on that vein, as a band you don't know from 1991, this is Massive Attack. Okay.

unknown 15:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 15:46

Um their most the most famous song for that is called Unfinished Sympathy.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Unfinished Sympathy. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 15:55

Yeah. It's not it's not that I can't pronounce symphony, it's just the word is sympathy. Um it's a trip hop band. Which is I think what How Where England took on hip hop and made it their own. Kind of slow tempos. Um just pretty chill.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 16:13

And uh most of my week oh, I didn't tell you. Talking to Manchester, there was uh a festival last week. Radar festival.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Radar festival.

SPEAKER_06 16:25

Um there were some bands there, one of them was Voyager.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Oh, I think I saw you post about this or something.

SPEAKER_06 16:31

Yeah, there was also there were um oh, what do you call it? Um masterclasses or whatever when you get to Oh yeah, yeah. Watch people, learn, ask questions, that sort of thing. Yeah, the two guitarists did one, the drummer and bass guitarist did one together.

SPEAKER_02 16:49

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_06 16:51

Um a guy called Ina Solberg from Lepros, who's got his solo album out. He did one about vocals, and I saw a clip of Danny asking him a question.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:03

Um I know they've worked together and quite a bit. And as you know, I've had a bit of a interest in Lepros in the last year or so.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

Yeah, yeah. I recognize the name.

SPEAKER_06 17:15

Yeah, exactly. I kind of it's kind of somebody on Twitter said that their album Melodies of Atonement sounded a bit like Carnival, and I just went for it. And it is a bit, it's a bit proggy, autosynth, and it's not too metal, just a bit different and unusual. But the singer has got the most amazing voice, he's got so much range and tone, and he does so many different things with it. I just think it's incredible, but I think it's one of those you'll love it or hate it kind of things because it's quite unusual.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:46

Um and I've just kind of really settled on the first album, despite I've read everybody saying it's not as good as their early stuff, which was probably a bit more extreme metal because he used to work with his brother-in-law who went on to do death metal and have a death metal band.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 18:04

And Lepros used to support him. Um, like you know, they used to be his backing band.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 18:12

So and I I kind of tried the early stuff before, and I thought, oh, it's not for me.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:17

But there was an album a few years back called Melina, and they've got this song called From the Flame, which is like a proper song, like a bit more conventional that you could sing along to that I absolutely love. But the closing track on that album, he sounds like an opera singer and it's all strings. And you could be listening to classical music from like 200 years ago or whatever. It's absolutely beautiful. And then I thought, well, I want to check out the early stuff, but I checked it out live.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:47

So the album's called Live at Rockefeller Hall, and it it's basically the first three albums.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 18:53

So and you know, they're just incredible musicians. And at times I thought, oh, you know, it's this is a bit dreamy, but aren't they supposed to be a metal band? But then it would go really metal. Like there was this one track that I sent you that they've used two drummers.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:10

But on the closing track, the the brother-in-law, the death metal vocalist, joined them. And he sang on the closing track. That was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

Did they do a m was it the song the way it was supposed to be, or was it like a mixture of Yeah, because he he sang on it on the um recording as well.

SPEAKER_06 19:29

Oh, that's cool. So it was, I found out. So then after that, I listened to the first album. And it yeah, it is a bit more metal, but I'm now ready for it because I've like gradually gone backwards. Because it was a bit of a leap, I think, just to go from the newest one to the first one.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Sure, sure. Well, you know, that I think that happens in music is sometimes you you need you need some experience, and then you look back in hindsight and you have a little more of a you have more of a uh Yeah, an appreciation. Yeah, you have an appreciation, but you have like a history with it at least too, you know, and you kind of know where it is and where it's been.

SPEAKER_06 20:07

Yeah, it's good. That's that's my um that's pretty much all my music because I spent most of the week listening to the Smiths and Lepras, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Okay, okay. Well So what about you? Well, my I don't think my listening will really surprise anybody here. Um but I was inspired by Matthew. Uh even though I he's very inspiring. He is a very inspiring person, and but I was inspired by Matt because uh I think last week I didn't listen to uh any black label society, and I think Matt appreciated that. So I was inspired by Matt this week to listen to a whole bunch of black label society. So yeah, that thanks for the Matthew groan.

SPEAKER_06 20:57

Yeah, that's cute, Matthew.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

You're probably gonna hurt him now when he hears that. You know what I mean? You're gonna cause him some pain. Um, but uh I so I listened to um I I go back to their Shot to Hell album, which is about, let's see, one, two, three, four, five, six albums back. Because the stuff before it I I haven't listened to enough to to really get into, but I really like how they sounded on that shot to hell moving forward. Um and then I went to the next one, which Matthew does love the title of this one. He always remembers this one, Order of the Black. Then I listened to the first one I'd ever heard by them, Catacombs of the Black Vatican, uh, which I remember the we listening to it early on, and always like it really surprised me because I kind of thought of Black Label Society as the name of the band makes them sound like they're gonna be a lot he like real they're a heavy band, but I just thought they were gonna be so much heavier. And I remember listening to that album, and there's like three or four ballads on it, and being like, oh wow. And you know, and and as ov as the years have gone on, I realize these sound like they could all be Aussie ballads, and then you're like, well, because he wrote Ozzy's music, you know? So uh then I listened to uh Grimmist Hits, which I really like.

SPEAKER_06 22:18

I always remembered that name.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Yeah, yeah, I love the title because he said he the he's like, yeah, I called it that, so people would think it was a greatest hits album, but it's really not. I just thought that's funny. Because I remember when I came out a few years back, or whatever, five years, six years ago now. I remember I saw it and I looked at it and went, Oh, they oh they and I I don't even I think I just didn't listen to it because I thought, oh, it's just a greatest hits album. I I literally pretty he got me on that for sure.

SPEAKER_06 22:45

Yeah, but he got you the wrong way because if I'm interested in a band, I'll quite often just start off by buying a greatest hits album because he won't touch it with a badge pole.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Right, right, right. So the next one I listened to, uh Doom Crew Incorporated, and that was the last one for me to really get into because I just kept skipping it for some reason. And then one day I started listening to it, you know, because with I'm realizing I when I trying to get into an album like this, I need, you know, a few listens. So I remember one day I turned it on and I kind of liked the way it started, and I liked a few things. I went, let me just listen to it on repeat three or four times. And you know, you get three or four listens, and by the three or four, you're really finding things where you go, oh, like you're really liking it or not liking it by that point. So and I really like that one. Um and then of course I listened to the most recent one, Engines of Demolition, which I really I think all of these albums are just really good. Now, I think with Zach and his voice, you could love it or hate it. He does have some Aussie flavor to his voice, and uh but if you see him online, he's a total goofball, right? I don't know if you if you ever see his videos, he like he puts on a wrestling mask and he carries these wrestling action figures, and he goes out to the crowd before the show and he's holding the wrestling fag figures out and he's growling and doing all this stuff and just acting like a total doofus. And I love that part of his personality, but when you listen to his music, it's all serious. I mean, the ballads are really well done.

SPEAKER_06 24:20

He doesn't he has one little music seriously, but not themselves.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

Very well said, very well said, yeah. And I love that about him, you know, because that's so cool. Um, let's see here. What else did I listen to? I listened to uh there's a one-off that I listened to. The other day I had been listening to a couple of bands and they were kind of balancing each other out for me. And but I just got to a point where I didn't know what to listen to. I was just like, yeah, what do I want to listen? I started kind of scrolling through the phone and like what band would I want to hear? Just is there an album that even sounds good? And it just I just so happened to pick this band called Kicks, K-I-X. Like you probably I don't know that you ever would have heard of them because I I I feel like we've talked about them once.

SPEAKER_06 25:08

I don't know that I have. Because you've talked about them before, and I've said I have not heard of them.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Yeah, because they had one song that was a big, big hit song called Don't Close Your Eyes. It was a ballad, and it was huge. It was like really big. It was probably their biggest song they ever put out. It was a real uh real big hit for them, and uh I love it. I love course I'm a ballad guy, I'm not like Bill, where I don't hate ballads, I love ballads, and uh but I really I just it just seemed kind of like it like I'd been listening to Rat a lot, you know, and I thought, well, it's kind of in the same vein.

SPEAKER_06 25:40

In the same vein, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Yeah, so but their album was called Blow My Fuse, it was their best-selling album. It had, you know, two or three, it had a song called Cold Blood, which was a kind of a hit back then. The title track, Blow My Fuse, was kind of a hit, and then Don't Close Your Eyes was like a bona fide huge hit. So uh speaking of Rat, I did listen to Rat a lot this week as well. Um I listened to three albums, same ones as last week. I listened to Out of the Cellar, which has Round and Round, which is the one song everybody knows by Rat. Even Ballad knew it.

SPEAKER_06 26:13

Uh well done Ballad.

SPEAKER_01 26:15

Yeah, I know. Then uh Invasion of Your Privacy, which was the follow-up, and then from there I listened to their most recent one, their last album they ever put out, which was called Infestation, which I thought as a great name for an album if your band's name is Rat, you know?

SPEAKER_06 26:32

Yeah, it's also the the first title that you said as well. I thought it was great.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

Out of the cellar, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

So yeah, but uh, it's really weird because I've just and when I listen to these albums, I'm like, these aren't some of these aren't the greatest songs in the world, but man, they're just hitting me right. Like some great melodies, some really cool riffs, and his voice is uh I don't know. I like it. I don't love love love it, but I really but I like it enough to where it's got enough personality to it, so yeah. And then lastly, I bet you could guess the last band I listened to for the week.

SPEAKER_06 27:10

Well, no, I mean I might need a bit of a clue.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

Um it's a lot of girls' favorite color.

SPEAKER_06 27:19

You listen to Pink.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

Pink Floyd, yes. Of course. Um yeah, I was on a real just big Pink Floyd kicking. It was this is what I would be doing during the week. Uh before I started with Black Label. I listened to all their stuff, and then I went to Pink Floyd, and then I, you know, had a like a full day of Pink Floyd. Then the next day I'd come in and balance it out with something just real chill and and just real easy-minded, just dumb stuff, like rat. I'd listen to Rat for the whole day. And then the next day I'd go back to Pink Floyd, you know, because there's a lot of serious songs and things going on, and then it was like, but I feel like for some reason right now, those two bands are just balancing each other out for me because it's like I hear all the serious stuff, and like I need I just need, and I'm not, you know, I'm the enemy of fun, but I need a little more fun, heavy, hard rock that doesn't have any real real meaning behind it, you know. So that's what those two bits, those two bands have been my bands for the last two weeks, three weeks maybe. And uh I listened to a lot of um Pink Floyd this week. I played one there was only one album I'd never played yet, and I played it this week as well. So I I listened to the final cut, which was the one I went on and on about last week with Ballad, and where he tried really hard to ask questions and things.

SPEAKER_06 28:43

He did make a really big effort to make it. He did. I'd have been on Twitter.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

You would have yeah, you would have muted yourself. Just let me listen in for my name, maybe. Yeah. But the final cut, man, I I it I really almost want to do an album review of it because there's and really listen to it and write notes and so many little things where there'll be he'll talk about something and then there'll be a like just a sound effect like or a hard drum head to signify something in the music, and man, it just it's done so well on that album. And I didn't say this last week, but I wanted to because I thought that I wanted to see if if Bruno had ever thought it. But in the song The Final Cut, they must have cut and pasted some of the music from uh Comfortably Numb in there because there's certain parts where you hear it and you go, Oh, that sounds exactly the same. So but I really, really like the album. I just am shocked because it it followed uh you know, Dark Side, uh uh what do you call it? Um Wish You Were Here and The Wall, and then I think Animals was mixed in there, which Animals is another one I hadn't heard as much, but those three were my favorites, and then this was the one that followed the wall. And for some reason I just never I don't know. I don't know if it was the title of it, I don't know what it was, but I just never had played it. So, and man, and I remember when Bruno said, I hope you like it, it's one of my absolute favorites, and and and I played it, I'd played it a couple times, but I was just like trying to really be, you know, giving Bruno something I never give to Matt, you know, a chance. Yay. And uh, but the more I listen, the more I listen to it, the more I'm fascinated with it. There's there's one part where you can hear Roger Waters' voice like he's in a war zone and he's yelling at someone. He's like, hey, hey, you can hear him kind of yelling, but you can't tell what he's saying, and then you can hear for a sp you can hear a noise in a split second, you hear a guy go, What'd he say? And then you hear this just like sounds like a a missile went over him and exploded him like right there. And it's just it's it's really it's so like from the artistic side of it, it's so well done that it really hits me when I hear it. I'm like, it's it almost it's it's startling in a way. And I know it's coming every single time I play it, but it just it's almost it's like it was so well done. And I'm just like, wow, this it's just I'm so impressed by the album.

SPEAKER_06 31:23

So I said it was probably gonna be another 30 years before I uh started on Pink Floyd again, but uh I'm intrigued.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Yeah, and the guitar solos that are on the album, there's only there's four or five that I'm thinking in my mind, and every guitar solo on it is just it's just one of those you close your eyes and it just melts you. It's so good. There's guitar solos, they're just so fitting, you know, they're so good.

SPEAKER_06 31:53

Yep. Um Alright, well I can't go past it if that's what you've got to say about it.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

Yeah, and now there's only one David Gilmore vocal on the album. Uh but the very opening line of the song, I'll I'll interchange uh an Irish word for it just so I can say it.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

Is the opening three words of the song is feck all that. And and then you hear the backups, the backup girl singers, and they're like, feck all that, feck all that. You know, it's like I played it for Vanessa. She's like, why? Why do you why are you listening? But it's so cool to hear like really great backup singer girls singing, F all that. It's just funny, man. It cracks me up when I listen to it. But it's a cool song. Cool song. Cool, great album. Um I listened to uh Delicate Sound of Thunder, which is a live album that they recorded after um shoot, I don't have it written down. No, sorry. Oh, wait a minute. Let me get my phone here. I'm I'm I'm so much Pink Floyd in my head right now that I've I'm it's Yeah, you don't know what order everything happens.

SPEAKER_06 33:08

I know, I don't know at all.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

So um Delicate Okay, yeah. Delicate Sound of Thunder was the live album for A Momentary Lapse of Reason. So I did play that and it's it's cool. Now I've listened to A Momentary Lapse of Reason so many times now that I'm more familiar with the songs, and so when I'm hearing the live versions, I'm hearing the differences now, which is kind of cool. Um I also listened to uh Momentary Lapse of Reason. I listened to their their last album where it has a full album with vocals and and the the band in 1994, which was uh the Division Bill, and I'm really, really starting to like this one too. Uh and I've never and I was reading about their their final album was called The Endless River, and it's there's only one song with vocals on it, and the rest of it is all taken from music they recorded mo well almost completely in 1994-93 when they were doing the sessions for Division Bell album. And their keyboard player, Richard Wright, who was you know, if you listen to Pete Floyd, you know how important the the keys and organ and all the the synthetic noises that he came up with are. But he passed away and then they wanted to do one more album using material that he had worked on, and so there's a ton of it. And uh and it was an interesting album to listen to, but I listened to the uh what do you call it? Um what would you call it? Uh well I can't see it. Like a bonus, like with all the bonus tracks and everything.

SPEAKER_06 34:44

Extended.

SPEAKER_01 34:45

Say again?

SPEAKER_06 34:45

Yeah. Extended?

SPEAKER_01 34:47

Yes, the extended, and it was it was almost too much. It was so much to it. And but it was cool. There was one part where they were on one of the bonus tracks where they were playing a song, because I was going, oh, this sounds familiar. And then they stop, and you can hear the keyboard player talking, Richard Wright, you know, because he's no longer alive, and you hear him talking, he goes, Hey, can you put more of that in my mix? And can you turn this down? And just he's getting them to adjust a few things, and then they start playing the song again, and with his, you know, and I just thought that's really cool that they put that in there. I thought I thought that was really neat. Um, but I think Chip said he really listens to this album a lot, or he has been, and he really enjoys it. And I I don't know that I want to go back to it.

SPEAKER_06 35:31

I think, yeah, like Chip's like, you know, when you're reading or something, it's quite nice to have something that's instrumental on.

SPEAKER_01 35:38

Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_06 35:39

So you get get distracted with what you're trying to do. So fair enough, fair enough. I think that's when he's listening to it. I don't think he's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

I just don't know that.

SPEAKER_06 35:48

Popping it on for a Friday night.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Yeah, yeah. But there is there's a there's a there were some definite pieces on there that were throwbacks to the you know early 70s, some of it, and some of it you could definitely like you could hear certain things where you're like, okay, part of that is in that song on Division Bell. So it was kind of neat hearing, you know, how they pieced some things out. Um okay, then I listened to something, and this is what I have pulled up on my computer. Uh, it's the very last single that Pink Floyd has ever released, and it's called Hey Hey, Rise Up. Um, I remember that. Yeah, it came, it was only released digitally in in April of 2022 because of the, I believe it was the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

And uh it says uh it was based on a 1914 Ukrainian uh patriotic march called Oh the Red Viburinum in the Meadow. And features vocals by a a Ukrainian guy named uh Andrew I'll try to Kil Kil Vinyuk. Kil Vinyuk. I'll spell it. I'll kill I'll spell it K-H-L-Y-V-N-Y-U-K. Kilvinuk. That'd be the best. I'm sure maybe Villa would do a little better on it than me, but um but he's in a he's in a um he's in a Ukrainian band called Boombox. And apparently Boombox. Yeah, exactly. Apparently, Boom Box, the band without the lead singer, had at some point supported David, uh David Gilmore at a solo gig or something. So that's how he was familiar with him. But somebody turned him on to this where the singer of this band was on tour in the United States, I believe. This um um what's his name again? A Andre. Andre, and he left the tour, went back to Ukraine, got into the military so he could help fight. And at some point he was in the hospital, and Pink Floyd or David Gilmore, I'm sure the people, they reached out to him and said, We would like to use a recording of you doing this and add music to it for a song because they wanted to, you know, and David basically said he released it as Pink Floyd because that would be the way to get the most attention drawn. So he said, We're not getting back together. It's just a one-off thing. And there's a not there is I I'll I I did not enjoy listening to this because and it was solely because of the vocals. It was all done in Ukraine, which is Ukrainian, and obviously it it's it's just harder to listen to, but the the guitar solo I thought was really nice. I thought the music was a little generic, but the guitar solo was really good. So as it's it's like talking about an Adrian Smith.

SPEAKER_06 38:58

I thought it went now, and I don't think I was that interested.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

Yeah, I I remember hearing about it, and I believe that um uh I'm sure if I scroll down a little ways, it'll say reaction. Okay, yeah, reaction from uh Roger Waters. Uh let's see here. Uh Richard. Um some let's see here. Uh the singer, he did say that he thought the song was fabulous and he thanked Pink Floyd for their efforts. Um let's see here. Some fans felt it was improper for them to release the music as Pink Floyd without Richard Wright, who had already passed away. Uh or bassist and lyricist Roger Waters, who left in 1985, really? 38, 40 years later, you can't. But um then it said a journalist disagreed writing, and this is probably gonna uh when thousands have been killed and millions have fled their homes, moaning about the absence of a band member who left 37 years ago is churlish at best. At worst, it's contemptuous of the suffering. So oh, here's what I wanted to get to. Roger Waters was critical of the song, of course, saying it lacked humanity and constituted a contentless waving of the blue and yellow flag rather than an explicit call for the war to end. He said Russia's invasion of Ukraine was probably the most provoked invasion ever and refused to see Russia from the current Russia phobic perspective, quote, end quote. So I don't know anything about uh, you know, obviously I've heard about that, but you know me, I don't keep up with politics either.

SPEAKER_06 40:45

So you're aware that there's a war.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

I'm aware of it, yeah. And so and I'm aware that usually David Gilmore, I'm sorry, uh Roger Waters seems to have opinions that a lot of people don't like, and I like his music, and I think he is a genius.

SPEAKER_06 41:03

And then he's annoyed that other people don't feel quite as strongly as he does, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 41:07

Yeah. Did you hear I just said he's a he's a genius musiker? He's a genius writer of music uh over his life, and uh and that's what I like about it.

SPEAKER_06 41:18

No, no, I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with the original thing.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

He's a genius musicer. A musiker. I hope you remember that. I hope I remember it for the quiet truck this week. A genius here, hold on. Let me make sure I don't think.

SPEAKER_06 41:32

I'll just say, you hope I remember that. I'm never gonna forget that.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Yeah, you text it to me before we get text it to me so I'll put it in the quiet trap. A genius musiker.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

That's you that is.

SPEAKER_01 41:43

Uh let me apologize to Matt because he might be a little amused by that. Okay, uh, let's see. Okay, so I but I did think when I listened to The Endless River, the the uh instrumental album, I thought, let me let me complete this and let me listen to the final thing they did release, so at least at least I'm aware. Thank you for sending me that. Let me read it again, genius musicer. Golly. Oh my gosh. But I did want to complete kind of like, okay, I've I've heard the most recent thing, and I wasn't sure what it was gonna sound like, so. But yeah, I have no I won't be going back to it, so at least I don't think so.

SPEAKER_06 42:25

No, I don't think I will.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

Yeah. I I did listen to uh a live album by Pink Floyd that was I guess it was released, I don't know when it was released, but it was uh I know when it was recorded. It was The Dark Side of the Moon Live at Wembley 1974, and I was inspired to listen to that by Andrew, uh Andrew Whitnall. Um because of Really? Yeah, he was doing some running of the mouth. Uh he was just doing some running of the mouth, and it just made I was like, I saw it, and I was like, oh, 74 will be with Roger Waters too, so that'll be interesting to hear, you know.

SPEAKER_06 43:01

So you're listening to that out of spite because of Andrew, and I was listening to Stone Roses because you were dissing it.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Out of spite, yeah. Uh well, not really. I I I did want to hear it when I saw it, because I I was like, I guess we both enjoyed what we listened to. We did. That's what happened. I I I was looking through their live albums because I was like, do they have any other live albums? And I and I know and the next one uh was one called Live at Nebworth, which I believe is where Maiden just did their EdFest, right? Definitely it was, yes. So when I saw Live at Nebworth, and it was 1990, so it would have been after their live album Pulse, which was for the division bell tour, so it would have been kind of really at the end of their run of doing anything, because they didn't they did they played Live Eight, I believe is what it was called in Oh yeah. Uh and they did that, that was their last appearance ever, uh, as the full band. You know, Roger Waters even played with on the stage with him. I think he called David Gilmore personally and said, let's put let bygones be bygones. Let's just do this one set. And of course, after that, they got offered billions of dollars, you know, to get back and do it again. And then they all and Roger was like, I'm totally up for it, but I don't think David is. So uh but yeah, so the live at Wembley and Live at Nebworth, I live at Nebworth was kind of like listening to Pulse a little bit, except it was a lot shorter. It was only like seven or eight songs. Very enjoyable. Um I listened to The Wall, which man, I just it's such a genius. It's so much Roger Waters. It's a G it's such a genius album. And listening to the wall and then the final cut behind it, of course, really having gotten into the final cut so much, listening to the wall and the final cut, and kind of understanding what the wall's about and then understanding a bit of what the final cut's about, and they kind of tie together. Um, and man, it just I just I'm like, man, for some point of for some part of this guy's life, the dude was just a genius, man. Whatever his political opinions are, whatever the rest of it is, musically, man, I just thankful this guy was born, you know. Speaking of Pulse, which was the Division Bell live album, I I wanted to I was in a live album mood that one day, and so I listened to Pulse as well. Uh I wish listened to what a week.

SPEAKER_06 45:35

I know you have how many hours do you have in your week?

SPEAKER_01 45:38

Oh man, I I worked four 13 and a half hour days. So you have a lot of time to listen to music in in in like 52 hours or whatever, you know, plus an eight-hour day. So uh and then I drove my wife to visit her dad out of state, which is about a five-hour drive. So uh, you know, I keep keep music playing all the time if I can. Two more, two more, and I'll be done though. Uh Wish You Were Here. I listened to Wish You Were Here. I guess we could dedicate that one to Matthew this week, right? We wish Matt was here.

SPEAKER_06 46:14

I wish you were here.

SPEAKER_01 46:15

Yeah. And then I listened to uh the album Animals today. So it's only it's only I've only heard that one a few times, and so uh there's two or three songs that I really do dig on that one as well. So uh so let's make a quick segue. What about podcasts, Kirsty?

SPEAKER_06 46:32

Well, I have listened to podcasts. Well because I haven't I haven't for a while, have I? And talking of EdFest at Nebworth.

SPEAKER_00 46:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:41

Oh Metal Chat with Melissa.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:44

Nice to have Melissa back, and she interviewed her friend Graham, and he went to both days of the Edfest. So he bought a camping ticket, but he didn't camp. So that he'd have to get there early and have access to all the Friday things. And that was really good because you know, I was I was wanting to hear all about it. I was pretty interested. I actually thought that sounded like a really fun weekend. Oh yeah. You're a little bit you're a little bit dismissive of it.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

I was a little bit, but I think I think the whole thing with Blaze and uh and uh Yeah, I think once they bought Blaze Bailey in to play on the Friday night, then the chat bots, they went to they went and uh they didn't go, they weren't able to go Friday, but but they sent me a lot of pictures from all the uh old props and things like that that they had set up, and that was really cool. I did find that really cool when he sent me all that stuff.

SPEAKER_06 47:36

Yeah, that would have been good to see.

unknown 47:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 47:38

Um yeah, so that sounded really good. So if you wanted to hear all the details, that's it. That does sound interesting.

SPEAKER_01 47:45

I need I do need to listen to that. That sounds interesting.

SPEAKER_06 47:48

Yeah. Um I've listened to some uh Bill Music for a lifetime on He did a thing on Patreon about ballads. What he thinks about ballads. I do want to hear that.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

I did I did want to hear that when I said I have like fairly similar views.

SPEAKER_06 48:08

Like there's a lot, there's a lot that I like, but it tends to be by certain bands.

SPEAKER_00 48:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 48:14

So and he kind of agreed with me. I think you know, like Alice Cooper will do a good one, Scorpions will do a good one, you know, but a lot of them know. So his his issue with it is kind of um that it stops the momentum and gives the whole album a totally different feel.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

Sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 48:37

Whereas I think sometimes an album need like really benefits from a slow passage.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 48:43

Like on power slave, I was thinking well that's really far too full on because it's not until the middle of power slave, which is a second to last song where you actually get a really slow bit.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 48:53

Um that's not a ballad. And but my problem with ballads, I think, is more because they're like just really cheesy a lot of the time.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

They were really formulaic, you know, in the eighties. And that's yeah. I could see that side of it for sure.

SPEAKER_06 49:10

And then often they turn out to be the big single for that band.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:15

Um, where you love so many songs by them and you're like, why was that the big single?

SPEAKER_01 49:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 49:21

And it almost like they've written it so they can have a big single.

SPEAKER_01 49:25

Which is fair, they're trying to, you know.

SPEAKER_06 49:27

Yeah, I mean it's their job.

SPEAKER_01 49:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:30

Obviously Cinderella came up.

SPEAKER_01 49:32

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_06 49:34

And I'm I'd have to agree with him on that one.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

I don't know what you got until it's gone, huh?

SPEAKER_06 49:38

Yeah. I don't love that. Metallica. No, he doesn't like nothing else matters.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

I agree on him though.

SPEAKER_06 49:46

I think in a context of the album, I don't, but whenever I hear it come on the radio, I I enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01 49:52

Sure.

SPEAKER_06 49:53

I guess I guess you know, it's just what it's up against, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 49:57

Well, it could be just because it's random. It's just a random thing that pops on the radio and you're like, oh, okay, I can hear it.

SPEAKER_06 50:07

Yeah. Um The Unforgiven, I'd really, really like.

SPEAKER_01 50:12

Yeah, that's a good one. I do like that.

SPEAKER_06 50:14

Mama said though, that's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_01 50:17

I love it.

SPEAKER_06 50:18

It's unfortunate because of why he's written it and everything. You love it, do you?

SPEAKER_01 50:22

I do.

SPEAKER_06 50:23

Okay, well Bill and I do not.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_06 50:26

Bill doesn't like the load albums in general, so Well I might like some of some of it, but I definitely don't like that. But anyway, it was interesting. I think a lot of the times we were fairly in agreement.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

Okay, fair enough.

SPEAKER_06 50:41

But he probably he probably hates a couple more than me, but Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:46

Bill's a hater.

SPEAKER_06 50:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:50

For sure.

SPEAKER_06 50:51

No, he played he played a selection of ones he liked, selection of ones he definitely doesn't like, and then mentioned a few more at the end. It was good. Um he did a thing about Alice and Chains unplugged as well. Which, as we all know, one of my very favourite albums. Absolutely, yeah. So that was good to hear. And uh otherwise, I just um I did really enjoy your waffle with Ballad. As I said. And you know, nice to have a something different.

SPEAKER_01 51:23

Yeah, absolutely. What about the Gen Marie Tani's then? Did you hear that at all?

SPEAKER_06 51:29

I had I didn't. I just read his tweet, to be honest. I think I might have started it, but I didn't have time to finish it.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot of it's a it was a lot of talking on that part.

SPEAKER_06 51:41

It was a it was a long one, and oh my goodness, no. What look Ged is just so incredible. He thinks things through so deeply and he puts it all together so articulately, and yeah, yeah. It just throws me away.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:57

But I I'd already read it, comment, uh, commented on it, whatever. Um, so I didn't I didn't really need to listen to that bit. But I think I listened to the start of it. Okay, okay. And well done for you because I know you managed to read the whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

Oh, it was it was long. You know, I love Gen. But I hope he never does another tweet quote that long. That tweet quote was as long as some episodes. Yeah, there was yeah, I'll tell you what, Gen. Next time you read it, record yourself reading it and send it to me, and I'll play it. And then we'll just pause it. We can pause it and make comments throughout.

SPEAKER_06 52:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

Okay, so I did not listen to any podcasts at all. Um, I don't think I watched any TV. I didn't uh I I I started slightly reading my book that I have right here, Kirsty. Let me tell you what the name of it is. It's called um Pink Floyd Through the Eyes of the Band, its fans, friends, and foes. And then underneath that it says edited by Bruno McDonald. So I have it in my grubby little hands here, as Nico might would say. Grubby.

SPEAKER_06 53:16

Well, that's that's no surprise. Oh, I've been watching something on TV and I'd already read the book. It's um fictional. Daisy Jones and the Six.

SPEAKER_01 53:25

And the what?

SPEAKER_06 53:27

The Six, the number six.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 53:30

It's about it's about a band, and it's set in the 70s, and they have lots of relationship dramas, and it's not based on Fleetwood Mac, but it definitely is. Oh, interesting. Because it's fictional. Um, it's got Elvis Presley's granddaughter playing the singer Daisy Jones.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Oh, interesting. Okay. She's all tatted up, isn't she? The granddaughter.

SPEAKER_06 53:56

She is, they covered it up very nicely. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

I'm pretty sure she is, but uh pretty sure she is. So hopefully she doesn't have to go in for a mammogram.

SPEAKER_06 54:06

That's right. Do you because obviously that's not going to preclude you because um over 30% of women aged 40 have mammograms. Not mammograms. Have um tattoos.

SPEAKER_01 54:20

Yes, yeah, yeah. So well, okay. Well, let's get into the acquit troats then, real quick. Read them and the thank yous and all that good stuff. So we had kind of one episode last week, but it would have been almost a three-hour episode if we didn't break it up into two. So one of the episodes was called uh the Gen Mario Tani Zone. So this week on the Gen Mario Tani Zone. Yeah, and of course, you gotta you gotta account for like some 20-second clips of music or whatever, but yeah, it was almost a full hour of, and then there's a couple spots where I get so confused because I've read so much. So maybe to be fair to Gen, it would have been 50 minutes, but only and I think only 45 minutes of that was one of the quick votes. I couldn't believe how long that was. I'm like, this is longer than than than Power Slave album. Oh man. So I wrote this week on the Gen Margutani Zone. One, winners and losers, two, a special guest host, three, memes, lots of memes. Uh four, the love of Gen Margitani. Five, the Empire of the Clouds of Gen's Comments. More like the Senjutsu of Gen's comments. Uh uh 666, seven ways to win, and number eight, we love Gen. So we got we do. A few quiet quotes and re the reposts were done by his royal dudeness, Dave in the USA. Uh seems like a story should be fitting for him, right?

SPEAKER_06 55:58

Yeah, what's taking you so long, Dave?

SPEAKER_01 56:01

Yeah. Get to get to get to get to popping the keyboards there. Uh Jesse the Riffweiser in Illinois. Uh the honorable, the the honor, well, not the honorable counselor, but the honorable Gen Mario Tani, who gets his own waffle zones now. Um the official waffle of Japan, Gen Mario Tani. Uh the the our friend in Finland who probably devoured this waffle, Kirsty.

SPEAKER_06 56:30

Hey Bella.

SPEAKER_01 56:32

Uh, the uh the hopeless romantic of the podcast, the rock a roll, as Matt would like to say. What's he been cooking?

SPEAKER_06 56:44

I'm just I'm trying to fill in for Matt. Okay, good hand.

SPEAKER_01 56:47

Good, okay. And and uh okay, so if you're if you if you paid attention to Matt.

SPEAKER_06 56:52

I haven't said anything rude yet.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

Yeah, if you pay attention to Matt, then then you're the here comes a really good chance to fill in.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

Next up was uh Silent Kev and Alice Springs. I don't know what Matt says now. Matt says that's whack.

unknown 57:13

Okay, thanks.

SPEAKER_01 57:17

Okay, let's see here, and we got uh a couple of quiet quotes. Uh one um hold on, I'm gonna um just send you a screenshot of this real fast before I actually read it, just because I think you'll get a laugh. You might know who these people are in the picture, so I don't I don't know. Um I don't think they're genius musicers, though. So okay, uh so the next um the next queet quote here is from uh Lord Andrew of Sussex, uh the the uh most English of English gentlemen at times. Uh I gotta put a caveat on that now because he said some rude things. Uh he says, Uncle Stephen Ballad prepared to open Gen's Queen quote. And to me, I would describe it, Kirsty, is a couple of old women looking pretty uh concerned. Do we know who these people are?

SPEAKER_06 58:12

That's a um Ina Sharples and Hilda Ogden from Coronation Street, which is um a soap opera set in Manchester.

SPEAKER_01 58:20

Okay. That just looks funny. I was just thinking, you know, I the the bad thing is about it, Kirsty, is I don't know if you realize this or not when you when you which I don't know if you listen to it, but I didn't know it was that long.

SPEAKER_06 58:35

No, because you never look at them before.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

Yeah, I try to go in fresh, and so I was like, I remember looking at it a little bit, going, okay, he oh, he wrote a little bit about all the songs a little bit about all the songs. So okay, and next up, um uh, and this isn't nearly as long, but it's not short, but it's by Gen Margitani in Chiba, Japan. Uh man, I'm so thankful for Gen, though, even though that it was really long and he sends some long stuff in. It's a lot of it's great. Yes, and and I mean, and honestly, he has said it's it's awesome to be able to have somebody take enough of an interest in what we're doing here to want to be involved and and send you know comments and and and interact with us in that way. I think it's so it's so much more than I would have ever expected, you know, starting the podcast out all those years ago. Definitely. Um so Gen says, Thank you, Uncle Steve and Ballad, for reading, and you know, at least Gen is self-aware, for reading my torturously long post. But then he puts a laughing face behind it. Now, there was nothing funny about that. I was writing, now here's he gives it, he's telling us how he did it. I was writing one match at a time after listening to the songs back to back. However, by Sunday night, I still had four matches left. So I started writing the rest after I put my kids to bed. I finished writing three, but it was already past 1 a.m. I'm guessing he started at like seven, you know? It's like six six hours later he was still writing. Um so I gave up on finishing and passed out. So here, Kirsty, is Gen's number one match. So you're gonna get to be here for part of this. You may have already read this, so I have. I I have not, so but I have seen how long it is. It's not as long as well, it's not as long as reading nine other ones, so. Or or wait, there were only seven, weren't there?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

It's not as wrong, it felt like 90.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:55

Yes. Could take you ten minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:58

Oh, here we go. So uh the number one was Hallowed Be Thy Name versus Hell on Earth, which I think all three of us voted for. Well, Matt, actually, Matt mysteriously pulled a Tom on us and disappeared. And uh me and you both voted for hallowed. So he says, Hallowed be thy name. Man, I didn't bring any water up here either. I didn't think I was gonna be reading anything like this. Many people consider this their favorite maiden song, and it's easy to see why. It's an absolute masterpiece. Compared to other epics from their first five albums, like Phantom of the Opera, to Tame Melind, or Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner. This song serves as more of a natural blueprint for the epics that followed, especially in the post-sphere of the dark era. It starts with a quiet intro and gradually builds up as it progresses. I might get some booze for saying this. Oh, wow. But I much prefer Niko's live version over Clive's original studio and live takes. Okay, well, just in case you didn't think you were gonna get him here.

unknown 1:02:04

Boo.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:07

I think nope, Genny is a massive Nikko fan.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:10

Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. He is. I'll I'm a huge Niko fan, contrary to what some people might think after some things I've said. I I've loved Niko forever. I just was, you know, maybe I was too honest about my feelings about his ending.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:23

Um I wasn't going there. Okay, but I just think it's a big Niko fan. Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

I know, but that's I know what that is. It's a dig at me because like, well, Steve, you're not. It's like you listening to the Stone Roses all over again. Um and I I did like Nico's live stuff on it. It wasn't but but but to me, nothing surpasses Clive's studio version on it. So and maybe maybe the beast over Hammersmith version, but um Niko adds a lot of galloping kick drums while his footwork is much busier compared to Clive's version. His hi-hat work is simpler. Sticking to the regular eighth notes, however, this dynamic arrangement creates so much more drive. But it speeds the song up to a speed where Bruce can't sing it. That's my words, not Gen's.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:14

He can sing it, but Yeah, but he's sort of shouting.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:19

Yeah, it's more of a struggle, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:20

Almost, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:22

The song has a fascinating structure. Intro, verse, verse, first instrumental, verse, second instrumental, guitar solos, chorus. That is that that is a really cool song.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:35

Oh, it's unusual.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:36

Yeah. You don't get to hear the chorus until the very end, and it's surprisingly short. Yet Bruce's delivery creates such a dramatic finale. This unique structure definitely contributes to why fans love this so much, love it so much. That said, I've always felt I'll I'll never fully catch the same hype that many older fans have. Maybe because it's I came in as a newer fan during the reunion era. I can understand logically why people idolize this track, and I do love it to a certain extent, but my passion will never quite match the 80s diehards. And I do appreciate that about Gen, I will say. Yeah, but I mean I appreciate that so many people are just 80s homers, you know. Uh so uh for me, the definitive maiden epics belong to the post Fear of the Dark Era. Wow. Wow. And I simply hold this in higher regard than many of the classic 80s tracks. However, I understand that this track is very special for the band and the fans. This song was included in their set. Hold on, I lost track of where I was reading. Uh, this this song was included in their set list for every tour until the lawsuit happened in 2017, um, which, as we all know, is the first tour I went to with my kids, and they didn't get to hear how it would be that name, which was very frustrating.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:15

But I went to the first leg and did.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:17

Yeah, where and he also adds, I was lucky that I get to hear this and Tears of a Clown live in 2016. Like, because he's in your he's closer to your part of the world than I am. Or he Yes. If someone asked me to pick five maiden songs to introduce to the band, I would definitely include this song. Now he goes to Hell on Earth. Hell on Earth. I've talked extensively about this song before, so some of this might sound repetitive. I loved it from the very first listen, but seeing it live was a whole different experience. It wasn't just because of the spectacular pyrotechnics, but the sheer power of the performance and sheer artistry of the song itself. To me, it's the ultimate culmination of everything Steve Harris has ever created. That's a great statement right there.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

Let me read that again. To me, it's the ultimate culmination of everything Steve Harris has ever created. The dramatic intro, the epic buildup, the galloping riffs alongside Nikko's kicks, the beautiful vocal harmonies paired with guitar melodies, shifting dynamics, and unexpected transitions. It has all of its classic and modern trademarks packed into one. The only bittersweet thing is there are hardly any repeating parts. Though that's what makes it so unique. I honestly think they could have repeated the verse, pre-chorus, bridge, and chorus just one more time to turn it into a 15-minute epic. I agree with that again.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:01

I'm quite happy with it, the length it is, personally.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I mean, it it would be great to have one more set of, you know, Bruce just really wailing it out.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:10

Sometimes when one more set of verses and choruses comes after there's been a lot of stuff happening, I'm like, oh, I was kind of ready for it to be over now.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

Hello, die with your boots on. The pre-chorus in particular is definitely worth hearing again. If they had done that, it would have been absolute perfection. Still, that doesn't change the fact that it's one of the most incredible epics ever written, in my opinion. Ah, here you go. Get ready. Get ready. Hold your head up high, Kirsty.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:40

I want to hear this twice.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

As cursely. Cursed.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:45

Kirstly. What's my name on Feckin' metal? No, Feccology. Cursely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:52

Okay. As as cursed. Oh God. Gen did it to me again.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:59

It's my name on Fecology is because one of them had the same thing happen to them.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:03

Yes. As Kirsty nicely put it. So to Feck, I'll say this. Say Kirsty nicely really fast ten times. As Kirsty nicely put it, this song showcases where the band and Steve as a songwriter currently stand musically. It summarizes everything he has built over his career while creating something entirely fresh. For a long time, for the greater good of God, was my all-time favorite maiden epic. But Hell on Earth took the crown after I saw it live. Hallowed be thy name may be the quintessential Iron Maiden song, but right now, no epic can top Hell on Earth for me. Wow. That's that's really I like hearing that though.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:54

That was epic.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:55

Yes, that was epic. An epic trick.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:59

If you don't agree, at least you know why he thinks that.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:03

Yeah, there's no arguing with the guy. I mean, he's very articulate in how he tells you. Yeah. Okay, so he says, so the winners are as follows The reincarnation of Benjamin Brieg for the greater good of God, Dance of Death, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, Sign of the Cross, Passage, and Hell on Earth. So he was Classics One, Moderns Six. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:28

That's seven great songs right there. Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

Yeah. And then yeah, and then he uh closes out with a couple more things here. For me personally, Reunion Era Maiden resonates with me much more, which I've I do appreciate anybody that feels that way. And then he closes it with From now on, from now on, I will keep my posts short. And then he says, I mean Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner short. Thanks to both of you. Cheers. Well, again, thank to you. Thanks to you again. And uh he also added uh a tweet here, and he said, and ballad, I didn't know you could speak Japanese. I was shocked at the very end of the episode. Hopefully, someday we all get together somewhere on this planet and hear Uncle Steve singing the time machine together. I'll do the Yannick dance for him during the long instrumental section. I was thinking about what if I did the time machine though as ace? You know, that would even be I thought, you know what?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:43

Have I ever told you about my time machine? I'll tell you.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:54

Oh man. That's so hopefully okay. So there was another quiet quote, and I said uh this week, I'm sorry, not another quiet troat, another waffle zone. There was the waffle zone. This week on the waffle zone. One, some Irish cream, which would have been ballad. Two, Lord Andrew called out. I was hoping I would get something from him, you know, some feedback from him. Uh three, I made the final cut. There's a line in that in that album where he says I didn't have the nerve to make the final cut. Uh four, karaoke time in Texas. Five, burning ambition discussion. I did think it was interesting that Ballad watching it a second time enjoyed it a lot more.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:45

Because I don't know if I could enjoy it much more than I enjoyed. Yeah. Uh 666, 7 Bloodied Hopes, 8, something's missing, which you which would have been the Gen Marie Tani zone, and eight or nine. A Fraeli chimes in. So let Sorry. I know somebody will be uh laughing so hard their uh their something hurts. I can't, you know. Uh maybe they're abs, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:19

Yes, possibly.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:21

Possibly. That's ironic, actually, to think about. As many times as that phrase has been uttered on this podcast. So the reposts were done again by the following people. Uh Zero Judas, Dave in the USA. Uh Jesse, the Riffweiser in Illinois. Uh the official waffler of Japan, again Maryutani, Chiba. Um JFK's number one fan in Finland, Kirsty.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:50

Hello again, Villa.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:53

Uh Kirsty Prince in Perth, Australia. Hello, Kirsty.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:57

Hello.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:58

And lastly, let's see how well you were paying attention.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:02

Silent Gav and Alice Springs. That's why.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:10

Oh, that's great. And we have a few quick quotes here. Starting off with um the aforementioned author, editor of the Pink Floyd book over there, Bruno McDonald in South Africa. And he says, Cheers to Uncle Steve for the final cut name checks. Glad you are enjoying the album. And I say cheers to you, Bruno, because I gave it an extra, extra, extra chance. And really, I think I played it seven or eight times in one day. I just I was working and I just let it kind of play over and over and over because there's a lot going on. And I would just pick up pieces as it went along, and man, I'm glad I did. And cheers to Ballad for his good humor for sneaking the happy Mondays into an Iron Maiden podcast and for staying awake through the Pink Floyd bits.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:08

Hashtag Pink Floyd. Hashtag Iron Maiden. Hashtag where's Matt. I am down.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:23

What are you doing here, Ace? So you weren't invited.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:25

What's that?

SPEAKER_06 1:14:27

Ace Ace wasn't invited this week.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:29

Oh well. He's Ace has you know it's almost we're we're we're getting really close to the one-year anniversary, so, of Ace's passing. So uh let's see, Chip Ross. Regarding Rat, they are a rare metal band to have no ballads on their first few albums. No home, sweet home, alone again, etc. I think until the 1988 album, to which I said, uh, I consider closer to my heart from Invasion of Your Privacy to be a ballad. I like it a lot too. And then I posted it in our Patreon group, and when he listened to it, he said, Well, I was wrong.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:07

Did you listen to it? Yeah, I listened to that. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:09

Did you think definite baladers? Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:13

I love that song, by the way, too. So yeah. Okay. So, um, okay, I'm glad that you're here to explain this to me because I was about to say, here's one I'm gonna need some help with, but I realize now it's your quiet quote, so I know you'll know who I should be able to explain my own quit twelve. Yeah, and it says, I was hoping for some Manchester Madchester talk this week, and Ballad did not disappoint. And then there's a GIF of Happy Mondays. Is that a band?

SPEAKER_06 1:15:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:48

Did you mention them earlier?

SPEAKER_06 1:15:51

No, I I didn't, but um Bruno just did.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:54

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:55

But I guess my takeaway from the It was just the most it was the most Mad Chester thing I could think of.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:02

Gotcha, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:03

And it was all part because he was talking about all that scene, the hacienda.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:08

Yeah. I assume though, that the guy on the left is probably how Ballad really dances. He's he he looks jello. He looks like he's uh very loose.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:21

Yeah, that's exactly how it was.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:25

And then um oh, Ballad. Ballad is next, and he says, I felt a little like this guy when Uncle Steve was waxing lyrical about Pink Floyd, and he posted a um a clip.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:39

No, sir. I'm sorry this letter is late. It should have come at the beginning of the program. Yours, I've a big body.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:48

From the plastic arts, we turn to football. Last night in the stadium of Light January, we witnessed the precipitation of a great footballing tradition when January United came of age in a European sense of momentum Christian display of modern existentialists. At least one aging football commentator was glammed last night by the sight of an English footballer breaking free of the limping tentacles of packed Mediterranean defense.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:47

So, in essence, the guy has no clue what the other guy's talking about.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:52

Yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:53

I thought that was pretty funny.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:54

That looks good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:56

I was like, oh, I was like ballad, and I told him, I said, you played it off really well because I thought you held your own, you know. I I really couldn't tell that he had no clue that he felt that, you know, blindsided by it. So uh next one is uh from one of your favorite people, someone who happens to be in Ireland right now, Doomy McDoombutt. And I he well, I think this is a very uh ironical post uh that he wrote here. It's very cool. He says, listening to this in Ireland. Nice of Steve to bring on an Irish guest in my honor.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:37

So that's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:38

Yeah, and he said, uh, and I don't remember this, so maybe you do. Ballad pronouncing film made me laugh. Okay, I do remember that. Fill him. Did I ask him about it, or did I just go with it?

SPEAKER_06 1:18:57

He he um corrected himself to say movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:00

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:01

In anticipation of this sort of nonsense.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:04

Ballad pronouncing fill him made me laugh. It's still not as good as when Jay was on, and we were talking about something that they had used it from a movie, or it was talking about, and then he goes, Yeah, that's in a movie or something. I can't remember what he's it was so funny. Uh probably the only time on the pod that the Smiths, well, he was already wrong here, and the Joy Division, or and Joy Division will be mentioned, which you mentioned the Smith this week.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:32

I I've mentioned the Smiths before, I've mentioned Joy Division before as well. And then unfortunately I think I expect Jimmy to listen every week.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:41

I yeah, yeah. He's a busy guy. And unfortunately, he ends his quiet troat with this. Pink Floyd is still terrible. Well, you know, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:54

So I can get that that's not really his genre.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:58

Oh yeah, yeah. Oh. Okay, I gotta get busy here. I thought I didn't need I I thought I I barely made it through the last Gen Queen trote with I kept having to swallow.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:08

Another one.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:09

Yeah. So here we go. Um, and and actually, I will say this is one I I've read some of it. This he says there was an interesting conversation between Uncle Steve and Ballad this week, and it made me truly appreciate music and its power to unify us. So, first off, if me and Ballad conversation did that for somebody, that's really cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:34

I and he's no, this is him talking. I follow politics very closely, but I intentionally avoid talking about it here or anywhere else. People nowadays don't really engage in dialogue anymore. They tend to jump on and demonize the other side, especially online. Agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:55

There's a joke in Japan that says there's three things you should never talk about with friends politics, religion, and baseball. Baseball.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:07

It's very unlikely for me to be doing that.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:09

Yeah. Um the baseball one is odd. I understand talking politics and religion can be divisive. Um, he says it's a joke, but there's definitely some truth to it. Politics has become so divisive, and people just can't agree to disagree anymore. Yes. For me, I completely separate music from musicians' political views. I love both Pink Floyd and Disturbed. I enjoy songs by both Bruce Springsteen and Ted Nugent. Their political opinions don't change my love for their music one bit. I'm all for them speaking their minds as long as it's not during a concert. Don't get me wrong, if you stop listening to certain artists because of their politics, that's totally fine too. You have every right to vote with your ears, just as they have the right to express themselves. Music is truly an amazing thing. When you meet someone who shares the same love for a band or artist, it instantly brings you closer. When you're at a concert, you don't care who anyone is or what political side they are on. You just enjoy the show together, and that's the magic of music. It unifies us. As I said, I don't care about your political affiliation, your religion, or lack thereof, or even what baseball team you support. And he laughs. I'd love to talk music with anyone as long as we share that passion. Our differences actually make conversations more interesting. I believe music is one of the few things left in today's world where people can still agree to disagree. I do agree with that as well. Um lastly, he says, I'm grateful to Uncle Steve for putting out this podcast every week. You definitely bring people together through Iron Maiden and music in general. Even though now I find there's an a glaring omission in this next closing sentence, Kirsty. Even though some of Steve and Matt's opinions are ridiculously over the top and ridiculous. Or completely over the top and ridiculous. Notice any name missing there?

SPEAKER_06 1:23:21

I don't think it's missing. I think that's exactly how we meant it to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:27

Maybe it's like he forgot, maybe he fell asleep like doing his number one last week. Maybe that's what it was.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:32

I I either that or he doesn't think I've said anything over the top and ridiculous, which is awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:37

Maybe that's it too. Maybe that's it. He says, I'm glad we can all agree to disagree and stay friends. And I certainly agree with that as well, again. And thank you, Gen. Appreciate it. And thank you, Kirsty, for being here.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:53

And thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:55

And cheers, everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:03

Cheers, Matt.