The Waffle Zone... Episode 360

This week on The Waffle Zone:

1. Irish Cream

2. Lord Andrew called out?!

3. I made The Final Cut

4. Karaoke time in Texas!

5. Burning Ambition discussion

6. 66

7. Bloodied Hopes

8. Something's missing... 

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Hello and welcome to the Waffle Zone. My name is Uncle Steve, and uh this week we're gonna waffle on, and um I got a little bit of sad news, but some good news too. Uh Matthew is not joining us this week. He um he had something uh come up and he wasn't able to be here. But I did get a replacement, and I'm sure most of you, especially if you're well, he was from overseas as well, if you're from the UK-ish, European side of the world, then you'll appreciate this guy a lot more. You might understand him better. All the way over in Ireland, I have uh Ballad with me.

SPEAKER_03 1:31

Ballad, how are you, sir? I'm very good for Muncle Steve. Great to be back. Uh and and to be as prepared as Matt usually is for a lot.

SPEAKER_02 1:41

You had a 10-minute notice, then that's about how much time Matt prepares. To be to be fair, that's about how much time I used to prepare as well. So I don't know. I know it's not obvious, but we're prosperous.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

You're a pro though, you know. I mean, uh, you know, we're asking a lot from e to rock on now, but we'll we'll we'll get there. We'll get there.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

Yeah, but uh so I I've already said it privately, I'll say publicly. Thank you for doing this because it was very, very short notice. Um and uh you stepped up to the plate or um whatever they have in cricket or uh Gaelic football and to the pitch.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

There isn't this quite the same concept of the plate. I get baseball. You stepped on to the pitch. How about that? Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But um we're gonna do the waffle like we normally do. You know, we're talking about music, we'll talk about if there's any podcasts, any music-related things, but I do know that you, and I I think you have seen the whole thing, is that the did you watch the Burning Ambition movie or did you watch the Paul Diano movie?

SPEAKER_03 2:43

The Burning Ambition. Haven't seen the Paul Diano one yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:47

Okay, because what I really want you to do is you read Paul Diano's book, and I want you to tell us your true feelings about Paul Diano after you read the book. Sum it up for me.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

Oh my god, what did I I I remember I typed something, I could drag it out of Twitter there, but but basically I said, like, oh my god, worst person to have ever lived, practically. Um, I mean, there's some of the stuff in the book where you know, why would you write it? Like, it just comes across so so badly. Like, yeah, you'd say, you know, was he stitched up by the author or whatever? I don't know, but like he does himself no favors, it would be the lightest way you could put it, like you know. Yeah, p POS and all that kind of thing. That's sort of the vein of it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

Well, I know that there's another book or two that have come out since his passing, yeah. And I know Kirsty's seen some of it, and she's like, God, he just sounds like a very, very difficult person to deal with. Supposedly, the new documentary paints him in the same light as well.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

So um I guess like maybe in in the current context, you could maybe sort of forgive him a small bit in that he's had an awful lot of head difficulties and all that, and he's he's trying to deal with an awful lot. But when you roll the clock back to when he was able-bodied and all the rest of it, he was still like that, you know.

SPEAKER_02 4:06

So if I start going through some bad stuff and then y'all find out later on that I was beating my wife up 20 years ago to be cool. I'm just trying to get the ground the ground rules here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

No, I'm not making any excuses for what he was like back in the day, but I mean, I could I can imagine that his last few years were not good, you know. Oh, yeah. And that maybe anybody wouldn't have reacted brilliantly, but that's that's very kind to the man. Yeah, that yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:33

But you did watch uh Burning Ambition, the Iron Maiden movie that came out recently.

SPEAKER_03 4:38

Yeah, I've seen it twice now at this stage. Um so the first time I saw it was real psyched, you know, I sort of saw it in the first week it was out. And uh, you know, I don't know, I suppose maybe I had huge expectations. I thought it was okay. Like I watched it back actually just today as it happens. Um and yeah, I liked it, I liked it more, you know. I wasn't as kind of picky or I wasn't as focused, I just let it kind of wash over me, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:01

Um still the same stuff, like like a lot of people have said, some of the animation stuff is a bit clunky or a bit weird or doesn't really add a huge amount. But I mean I think especially for the casual fan, it does give a good kind of uh you know start to finish of the band and what it's like and what it is meant to people and all the rest, you know. So no, I mean it's I'm I'm I'm happier with it now than I was the first time I watched it, you know.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

Well that's good. I mean, my my takeaway was, and I guess I mean I enjoyed it, but I think overall, it's really hard. It'd be like trying to tell your entire life story in 90 minutes, which maybe for us it would be easier because we've probably had a lot more ordinary lives compared to you know 10 years of yeah. Yeah, you know, having 50 years of of being in a successful platinum, just worldwide phenomenal rock band, you know, that's that's a lot, and all the different members and you know, because I know a lot of people were upset about Clive. Cun Clive didn't really get much in there at all about him.

SPEAKER_03 5:57

And yeah, there may not have been that much footage of him though, you know. That's the other side of it. I mean, everyone spoke very highly of him, so you know, and he was kind of remembered at the end and all the rest of it. So yeah, yeah, okay, he didn't feature majorly, but yeah, that might be more of a footage thing. Like there wasn't a huge amount uh from Diana either, you know. Like our Blaze. So, you know, I mean I guess they weren't kind of part of the core group or they weren't in the band for that long in the context of a 50-year career, like, you know.

SPEAKER_02 6:29

Oh yeah, absolutely. Definitely agree with you there. So well, that's good. Then I'm glad you enjoyed it a second time. I I haven't had a chance to see it a second time, and I honestly don't know that I would watch it again. I mean, I I really did enjoy it. I thought it was, you know, learned a few a few little things about the band, you know, just some of the hearing Nico talk about Bruce and how he went directly to him when he got back in the band and said, I've been very angry with you for a long time, and they patched it up, and he said, I can't take back anything I said, but I love you and I'm glad you're here. And I mean, and that was very heartwarming to kind of hear from a you know a worldwide rock star to tell that, you know. I thought that was really cool.

SPEAKER_03 7:09

Yeah, and it was like I suppose Nico was kind of like sticking his guns a bit, like he wasn't sort of saying, Oh, I'm desperate to get you back and I don't care. Like, you know, I was saying, like, you kind of let the fans down was Nico's point, like you know. Um, and like that thing about in in was a Wembley where Bruce wasn't singing at all. Like, I mean, I thought that was geez, that was a bit cringe, like you know.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

I never yeah, I'd never heard that before.

SPEAKER_03 7:33

No, like I'd heard the thing of oh, he'd put it in on big nights, but even like that was in London, so you would have thought that that would have been a big night, you know.

SPEAKER_02 7:41

Uh so that was they're trying to adjust their monitors like we can't hear him, what's wrong? Is his mic turned on? Yeah. When I heard that, I was like, golly, jaw drop.

SPEAKER_03 7:51

Yeah, that was the the line as well about um Rod and the big line of Coke. Like I kind of yeah. That was pretty odd.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

Yeah, you because Iron Maidens come across other than drinkers, they've come across as being pretty clean, but you figure when you're in that setting, they say that everything is available to you that you could possibly want. I'm sure it's not always easy to turn down. Exactly, exactly. And it's not like you're gonna be drug tested before you go on stage and play with Iron Maiden, you know?

SPEAKER_03 8:26

No, no.

SPEAKER_02 8:27

Adrian, you failed the drug test. Sorry you're not playing tonight. We're gonna bring Dennis back. Oh man. Well, how about how about what did you what music did you listen to in this past week then?

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Yeah, so I'm I'm heading to Manchester on Thursday. Okay. Uh going for a long weekend with with uh my wife. Uh so I've been in a ma big Manchester uh kind of uh vibe, you know. Okay. So uh your favorite band is Stone Roses, uh, you know that album that you love?

SPEAKER_02 8:59

I was gonna say that please don't mention that album while we're on. Too late.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

Yeah, too late, too late. Um so like there's a film, uh it's called a movie, uh 24-hour party people, it's called. Okay. You probably never heard of it. But it's basically about all that sort of scene. Um Steve Coogan is in his very good actor. Um again, I don't know, would you know him? Like he's he's more kind of UK centric. Um but he he he plays the part of a guy Tony Wilson who ran Factory Records, the Hacienda, and all that. So there was like bands like Joy Division, you ever heard of them?

SPEAKER_02 9:34

I've heard of them, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:35

Yeah, Love and Terrors Apart is the big single. Um and they became New Order. So uh been listening to some of that, patching that in. Uh then the Happy Mondays, you ever heard of them?

SPEAKER_01 9:47

I haven't.

SPEAKER_03 9:48

Yeah, there's a guy Sean Ryder, he's like he's like a national treasure type guy. Uh consumed uh shared loads of drugs in his day. Uh but um no, they were very kind of quirky like, kind of harder to sort of pigeonhole. They'd be kind of like indie rock, I suppose is what you'd call it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 10:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:06

Um and like that, I suppose the Stone Roses then that we've mentioned. Um do you know the Smiths or Morrissey?

SPEAKER_02 10:14

Uh vaguely familiar with them as well, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

Yeah, yeah. So like the started off as the Smiths, and then Morrissey was the lead singer and he's continued on since, you know. So uh like and these are all sort of Manchester bands, if you like.

SPEAKER_04 10:26

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 10:27

So we're gonna do like a walking tour on one of the days uh we're over there. So that's how I'm kinda like filling up that on the history and all that.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Is your wife is she interested in all those bands and that kind of scene?

SPEAKER_03 10:39

Not majorly, no. She's not a massive music uh person, but we're we're actually we're going over to see uh Peter Kay. I don't know if you've heard of him, he's a comedian. Uh maybe, but I don't know. Car share was one of his um it's like a site, like a sitcom, it's very funny. One of the funniest scenes I've ever seen is um there's a they do a section on dogging, right? You know, which his his co-character thinks is walking the dog, right? So it's it's it's brilliant, you should Google it. Uh so it's it's really good. But he's he's a massive stand, he's probably the biggest stand-up out of Britain in I don't know what decades. Um so that's that's on the Saturday night, so we're going over on the tourist. Yeah, we have a couple of days. There's a place called the Peak District, it's like south of Manchester. And it's nice, it's kind of like posh and it's uh beautiful scenery and all that. So we have a couple of days there, and then we're into the city for a couple of nights.

SPEAKER_04 11:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 11:33

Um so I'm doing uh doing a music tour and seeing Peter Kaye. And uh I'm doing all the real touristy stuff. Uh have you I suppose you've never heard of Coronation Street, have you? It's like it's it's like Coronation Street.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Yeah, yeah, I've heard.

SPEAKER_03 11:51

Okay, yeah, I have heard of that.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Yeah, I have heard of that.

SPEAKER_03 11:53

Yeah, yeah. So I think it's probably the it could be the longest running soap in the world, you know.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

It's been going since like the 60s and that. Or thereabouts anyway. So yes, you can do a kind of a uh a tour of of the set and all that, like it's something to do when you're there, like um so you were in Manchester, weren't you, the time you were over? We did. We spent like three nights there, I think. Yeah, yeah. I know you probably didn't really get into it.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

Uh yeah, we we we stayed in a hotel, like a holiday in. The air conditioner didn't work very good in our room, and it was the hot they told us it was the hottest days of the entire year while we were there. They had to give us a fan, and it still didn't work very well, you know.

SPEAKER_03 12:37

But uh Well, you think the man from Texas would have been able to co-op uh? You're you too used to too used to uh air conditioning. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

I mean we we went me and my wife went to Canada um two and a half months ago, and the room we stayed in there didn't have an air conditioner either, but we were further up north, it was the it was just the beginning of May, and so the weather was still at night you'd open the window, and man, you'd you'd have to have the blankets on because it was cool. It gets you really cool. And that's what I was expecting. I thought, yeah, but not in I don't know that I expected it. I I think I looked it up and it said it had an air conditioner. That's what I remember expecting in Manchester. And I went down and told them multiple times, I was like, hey, this air conditioner is just not cooling. Yeah, can we either get oh oh yeah, we see, we see the problem, we'll fix it. I was like, we're gonna be out for several hours, okay, we'll get it fixed, get back to the room several hours later, it's hot as hell in there.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

Yeah, nothing done, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but like the two big things of Manchester are probably like music, like the stuff I've been talking about, and then football or soccer, you know. Sure. So you got like Manchester United and Manchester City, two massive clubs. Right. Um, so yeah, I've I've been to a match in in Old Trafford, which is the Man United ground years and years ago. But it's it's before the start of the season, and uh I'm not I'm not that bothered anyway, you know. I watch a bit on TV, but it's not it's not my main sport, you know.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

So when when you go see this Peter K, is he playing in that new arena where we would have seen Aaron Raiden?

SPEAKER_03 14:06

Okay. That's right, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. I know he's he's he's big, like he you know, he could do probably a week there or you know. Oh wow, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, he's massive scale.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

I'll have to look him up because I'm I definitely like listening to comedians. So now before we move on, uh to do you have any more music before we move on? Uh no, in my ten minutes that was probably as much as I could have. Okay. Well, um, we do have a request uh from someone named Chip, and he wants to know if you could tell the story about me and you frolicking on the beach together when we when I was in Ireland.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

Hand in hand, yeah. We were skipping along. Skipping along, and then we stayed and we built a fire and we watched the sun go down. Names on the sand things.

SPEAKER_02 14:53

We did do a remember you did a big heart, or we did something, and you wrote something in it. You wrote some letters in it, and it said, uh God, I'd be impressed if you can remember this. The letters, um and I remember there was an F in it. I remember that. Yes, it started with an F, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:12

Uh, if you tell me how about the latter syllable of it. Okay. There was something Live. L-O-I. And it starts with F. So F is something L.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Golly, I can't remember. I've got a picture of it on my phone somewhere, but I don't want to take the time to look it up right now.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

I'll I'll I'll tell you what it was, so you can tell me what it means, right? If you tell me what it was, I can tell you what it means I bet.

SPEAKER_04 15:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:45

Fot Lie. F-O-T-L-O-Y. No, you'll you'll need your you'll need your honking horn for the first word.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh! All a lot of you.

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:05

I remember that. Okay. Yeah, I remember now. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:08

And you had Saibu, I think it was.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Oh, yeah, that's right. Saibao. S-Y S Y B A U, which was shut your B A up. Exactly. Uh that was our beach experience. That was, yeah. And then everybody acted like you were a everyone acted like you were a giant standing next to me, and I was just because how tall are you? Like six foot? Six one?

SPEAKER_03 16:34

No, I'm I'm about 5'11 and a half percent.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

Okay, so you're like two inches taller than me, okay? So and they're acting like, oh, Steve, you're a midget, you know. Or a little person, you know. I was like, that was funny. So so I'll get into my music real quick, because I have a uh three bands that talk about um and uh two of them I talked about last week. Uh I'll start I started out my week again with the band Rat. Are you familiar at all with them?

SPEAKER_03 17:01

Yeah, I am round and round, and nothing similar.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And um so I was still really enjoying listening to them, and all three of these albums that I listened to, I listened to them at least two or three times each. And because I was kind of thinking, well, my Pink Floyd thing's over. And I'll get to that momentarily. Um but I listened to the rat album, their most recent one that they ever put out, which is like almost 20 years ago now, called Infestation, and I was kind of enjoying that. Um and then I listened to the first two, Out of the Cellar, which had Round and Round on it, and Invasion of Your Privacy. And they're they're short, and there's just they got a really cool, just it's of its time, but it's a really cool guitar sound, and I just never have gotten into those albums like I have right now.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

So And did it change on the last album or was it very much the same line?

SPEAKER_02 17:54

The last album I would say as far as I think they they were trying to when I've what I've read is they were trying to kind of channel going back to this would have been the album we would have put out between our first two albums. Like that's kind of what they were going for. Which I listened to a podcast last week about it, and they were saying that they thought it really would have been a few albums later, maybe, whereas it would have fit in better. But but I mean it's got a cool sound. There's some good songs on it, and it's it's uh it's not the original lineup, it's three of the five guys, and uh you know, but it's still pretty cool. It's just it's different, you know. I mean, I wouldn't there's a part of me when I'm listening to rap where I I feel like it's like one of those things that you'd be embarrassed to tell people about. But then I'm like, you know, their first four albums, their first four, were all platinum, you know, platinum or double or triple platinum, and I'm like, you know, they didn't sell a hundred million albums or anything, but I'm like, to sell over a million albums four times in a row on different albums is very impressive. You know, not a lot of bands were.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

I'm reminded, did you see that um there was a Kratty Kid spinoff? I forget the name of it now, but there's the guy Johnny Lawrence in it. Uh-huh. And he often has rat on the on the on his oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even in the 80s, kind of uh stick with him like I don't know what the show's called, but I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

And I do remember, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

Uh because yeah, I think they had wasp in there. Cobra Kai.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

That's what's gone.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Which one?

SPEAKER_03 19:24

Cobra Kai.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Cobra Kai, yeah. There was a quote that I found last week that I wanted to read on here uh from the lead singer of Rat. And um see if I can find it real quick here. And um because of that scene that they came up in. You know, it was called the uh kind of the uh Sunset Strip LA scene. And so you been there?

SPEAKER_03 19:49

I have. Oh, I've never even been there. Yeah, it's only a couple of years back. No, uh Whiskey Gogo and Viper Room and one other one. Viper.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

The Viper Room, and you had the uh Gazaris, and there was a lot of uh famous clubs on there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Um was it Troubadours in that one?

SPEAKER_02 20:06

The the Troubadour could have been. I think the Troubadours down there. I think so. Like for some reason all the names are slipping.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

But they're nearly all gone anyway.

SPEAKER_02 20:15

Like But as I was uh like kind of reading about them and I saw this quote where he was talking about the lead singer was talking about the bands, and he said he said only a small number of bands really kick-started things on the Sunset Strip. And he named uh what's the one, two, three, four, six bands. Uh he said Rock's Regime, which turned into Striper, which I was like, that's interesting, you know, because they became you know the religious band. Uh Dante Fox, which became Great White, which I was kind of surprised by that. Wasp, which I wasn't surprised, uh Quiet Riot, not surprised, Motley Crew, not surprised, and then Rat. And so I thought, well, that's interesting because you know, of the first, when I talk about the cassettes my cousin recorded me, three of these bands were on those little cassettes, Wasp, Rat, and Motley Crue. So but I thought that was kind of cool.

SPEAKER_03 21:14

Yeah, and like were poison part of that scene, or did it come slightly later?

SPEAKER_02 21:18

They came, I believe they came along a few years after that. Like they were probably uh building like they were following probably what these guys were doing. Matt would be more of a resonant poison expert around here than I would.

SPEAKER_03 21:33

Hair metal, I'd we I'd dismissively call most of that.

SPEAKER_02 21:36

Well, they were called what? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And a lot of these bands got lumped into that. You know, hair like like Wasp did, and I mean I'm like Wasp and and Rap both I've my take on them both is they both have a little bit more of a grittier sound than say like Motley Crue went along and great for sure Great Wyatt Stryper, uh Quiet Right. Maybe Quiet Right had a little gritty or two, but they just didn't do very much. Even though they're they're still touring with one original member, so yeah, but uh milkiness. But that was my uh rat listing for the week because once I um it was a point in the week where I was like, you know, let me I want to change it up because I was listening to a lot of them. I thought, let me change it up, let me let me put a Pink Floyd album on. And I wanted to hear the song Wish You Were Here because we had talked to Matt about it, you know, and he had listened to it. So I put on the album Wish You Were Here and man, it just complete me, completely put me back in the Pink Floyd frame of mind. And so bar one other album that I'm gonna talk about at the end, all I listened to with the rest of the week was these Pink Floyd albums. Um I listened to Wish You Were Here uh at least a couple times. Uh I know Andrew will appreciate that I listened to The Wall probably three or four times, and I I still don't understand how he just doesn't you know with the war themes and things like that, I just don't understand how he doesn't find that to be just an like I listen to it and I'm just like this is an absolute masterpiece of an album.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

It's and maybe you know Andrew's Yeah, I I need to kind of go back. I mean, I did I know I did give Pink Friday chance kind of a while back, but it didn't really stick with me, you know. Yeah, yeah. Um you know, of course I'm so much younger than you some of the things.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

Yeah, you're so much younger than me. That's right. But you know, there's there's a they're very they're dreamy. They have a like you could sit there and just really kind of mellow out and listen to them, and it's it's very different from a lot of what I listen to. So that I've gotten into all of this stuff so much lately that it kind of boggles my mind as well. Um but I listened to the wall uh Dark Side of the Moon. I listened to that one a couple times. I'll give my little what I watched this week thing as well, right now. Um we went a friend of mine and I yesterday we went to a uh a planetarium and they had a Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon um three uh 360-degree show, like as Matt would call it, a complete 360, you know? Yeah, but where you're kind of sitting back and you're looking at the ceiling of this whole thing, and it I gotta say, it was it was so cool. It was because the album is called Dark Side of the Moon, so much of it was focused on space and you know, going into the ring on Saturn and like you're in the middle of all the rocks and seeing from satellites and just the views of every it was very, very well done.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

And we're in this give you the shaky seats and spray water on anything.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

I didn't do any of that. But there were times when you're sitting there because of the way the screen was moving, or the way the screen you would look at, it would felt like the room was almost spinning on you a little bit. It was so cool. The music was cranked up really loud. And as I'm watching it, you know, and and I appreciate that album a lot. I just the you hear the different sounds and things, and I just thought, man, there is so many layers, there are so many layers to this music, and and it was recorded in like 1971 or two or something, and you're like, they couldn't just you know get a laptop now and press buttons and get here, we want this sound here, and they had to really work to obtain those sounds, and I just thought, you know, this is just another, it's a masterpiece. It's it's so well done. And my friend, I brought a friend of mine who's about 30 years younger than me, a guy I work with. My wife was supposed to go, and she wasn't able to because she was somewhere with my daughter, and so he went last minute with me, and he just goes, Man, that was really cool. He thought that was really cool as well.

SPEAKER_03 25:38

So uh I was really happy. Not something to try after your usual margarita and fireball thing.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

You know what I told him? I said, This would have been fantastic on about three shots of fireball because you'd really because you know, you know, if you get a little inebriated, yeah, the music hits so much harder. Yeah, I was like, I probably would have been crying if I was in here because I cry when I get really like that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 26:05

So the room spinning bit though, usually is a pr is a precursor to other things happening. Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

That's true, that's true. Yeah, so okay, I'm gonna skip one of these albums and I'll talk about that one momentarily. Um speak speaking of momentarily, uh next one was A Momentary Lapse of Reason, the second to the last Pink Floyd album. And I really, really like that one as well. Uh it's I've when I listened to it the first time in the last month or so, I was just like, man, this is really great. And it's a lot of like I said, the the the vibe just they create they create a vibe when they do music, you know. Kind of the way it's it in a different way than Maiden creates a vibe with a big layer of walls of music happening, but they create a vibe with like putting you in a scenic place before the music even really kicks in, which is really cool.

SPEAKER_03 26:57

Yeah. Well, I suppose like that sort of late 60s and 70s, a lot of that was sort of like spacey and alternative, you know, in its own way, like you know, it wasn't I guess coming from the Beatles was very much four guys on the stage, like whereas then it sort of got very broad and you know, like Sam Marathon and all these kind of like like you say, soundscapes more so you know it's really cool.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

I mean, and even on like say that album came out in '87, so well over 20 years after they had done that, the first album without uh Roger Waters, who was one of the huge right, he was a big time writer for their last couple albums before. Yeah. And then I thought to myself, you know, I've haven't really listened a lot to their last um their last full studio album where it was lyrics and everything, uh, called the Division Bell. So I was like, I'm gonna play the Division Bell again, because I know there's a couple things on the Greatest Hits album that I liked. And I listened to that three times this week, and man, I was just thought, this album's really there's some really fascinating stuff. Like you turn it on, the first couple of songs are like to me, they feel like a real throwback to the early 70s with just the the just the space that they create within the the layers of the music. It's really, really well done.

SPEAKER_03 28:14

And and like is it like music that you have to kind of concentrate on, or like if you were out mowing the yard, would you get Anthony out of it? Do you need to really sit in a room and take it in?

SPEAKER_02 28:24

I think you could mow the yard, and because if you're mowing the yard, all you're focusing on is turn left, turn right, you know. Yeah, and I think you could do it that way as well. But I you know, I've listened to it kind of every way, driving, sitting around doing nothing. And uh but I've really enjoyed it. I've really uh and it's still, I mean, I've only listened to it maybe four times at this stage. But man, I just yeah, it's I'm just getting to know it. And speaking of that, um, there's another album, one more album that I listened to this week that uh I uh last week I got a recommendation kind of hey, I hope I hope you'll listen to this album and uh see what you get out of it. So um the final alb good good good choice of words here by me, accidentally. The final album, I know Bruno McDonald knows exactly what album I'm about to mention. The final album I uh listened to this week, and literally, because I was playing it right before once you responded and said you could show up, that's what I had in my ears. Um I listened to an album by Pink Floyd called The Final Cut. It's the last album that they did with Roger Waters, and it's a from what I've read, a lot of people consider it almost a Roger Waters solo album. Yep. And I've seen it for years behind the wall, you know. Oh, they did they did an album called The Final Cut, but I was always Dark Side, the Wall, and Wish You Were Here. Those are my three Pink Floyd albums. I really never tried a lot of other stuff. And so Bruno had mentioned it. Like I think I might have had, I don't even know if I'd played it once and he said something, and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna go ahead and give that one a shot. And um there was one day at work during the week where I just put it on and I just let it play over and over to the tune of it looks like the listen I was having before I uh stopped it would have been my 20th listen for the week. You know, it's it's a 40 uh let's see, I think it's a 45-minute album. Uh let's see, just to just so I can that's like three Iron Maiden songs. Exactly. It's yeah, it's literally the last three songs on Sinjutsu, your favorite maiden album.

SPEAKER_03 30:44

Did you get that uh gift? Did you did you know the context of that? No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, the movie trans button, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

Uh but um, yeah, it's 46 minutes long, so it's not hard to listen to the whole thing. Yeah. And uh it's it's it's like a it's kind of a follow-up because some of the songs are leftovers from the wall sessions. Uh David Gilmore kind of made a comment like, if they weren't good enough to get on that album, why are they now good enough to get on our next album? But I really think listening to it that so uh give or take or whatever anyone's thoughts are about Roger Waters because he's very, very, very opinionated. He's very, very politically opinionated. Um earlier I was reading his I was like, what did he say about Ozzie Osborne when Ozzie died? And I was reading that earlier, and it just kind of was like, he's a guy who just says exactly what he thinks, and he does not care. He said he was like, those guys made no Fing difference to me. I don't could I couldn't give a F that Ozzie died. Which I'm kind of like, you know, couldn't you just at least say, hey, you know, it's sad, it's sad for his family or something.

SPEAKER_03 32:00

Yeah, but you know lots of people loved him or whatever, like you don't have to. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

I mean, I don't understand it, but a lot of people loved him, so you know, whatever. Fair enough. Yeah. Now, now I've the same way with friends, and I I'm with music and friends the same way. I don't care what a person's political leanings are, I don't choose my friends that way. If we have music in common, more or less, then man, we're gonna be friends. As long as the other person's not gonna be like, you know, hateful and you know, whatever about political or want to overly politicize everything we talk about, you know. Um but I don't, as an artist goes, I don't care. I mean, and I don't I've you know, uh your mate down there in Ireland, uh Feck, um he's called me out before about not knowing enough about um people's political opinions, artists' political opinions. And I'm I I I don't try to play naive, I just am about it. Like I listened to an album and like there's a lot of uh names mentioned on this album. I know Margaret Thatcher Maggie gets mentioned quite a bit on this album, as well as a whole lot of other political people that honestly I don't have a clue who they are. Um and because of like like okay, politics in in the UK, there's the two there's two major political parties, I assume. And without you telling me, and I'm not asking you to tell me, I don't want to know. I don't know what which one is which. I don't know which one is this way and which one's that way, and I don't I don't want to know because it allows me to be more naive about it and just listen, I would not know what his leanings were, other than what I've seen well more recently, you know. But I I have a very, at least right now, I feel like I have a real soft spot for uh Roger Waters, and you know, like that's what I think that's a huge problem for Andrew. Because Andrew made you know, Andrew's very political guy. He you know, he he he knows a lot and things like that, which is different than me. But I think, you know, I saw one day where he wrote a post about Roger Waters and he didn't like and I thought, I wonder if that is part of why he just doesn't like anything Pink Floyd, you know.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

So Andrew, you can tell me that later, but I suppose it's the whole thing of the artist and the art. Exactly. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, yeah. Like the whole, I guess Michael Jackson is the the ultimate example of it, like, you know.

SPEAKER_01 34:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

You know, or the the like the recent movie, you know. It's I've I've seen it, it's pretty good, and the music is good, like you know, you you kind of feel half guilty for enjoying it because you think, hmm. Have you seen marks over this guy?

SPEAKER_02 34:43

Have you seen the documentary on them on Netflix? The the recent one?

SPEAKER_03 34:46

Oh, not just that.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

That one I just couldn't walk away from. I told my I was telling Sarah, I said, there's some there's a lot of fan talk in there and stuff. I said, but man, I I can't I couldn't walk away from that and think that he wasn't guilty of something, you know.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

So Yeah, I think I've seen things years ago. Like Neverland or some some I watched another documentary and it was pretty harrowing, you know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

I I find that my my finding is if you give someone twenty-three million dollars to keep their mouth shut.

SPEAKER_03 35:19

Yeah, there's something up like that's a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Of course, to Michael Jackson, maybe that's nothing.

SPEAKER_03 35:24

There's a scene uh Prince Andrew only had to pay 8 million.

SPEAKER_02 35:30

So, okay, so getting back to Roger Waters here. Soft spot for Roger Waters, uh the final cut. Literally, now I can say here's the things I could say about the people that think it's a solo album. There's there's four or five or six songs on there with just absolutely magnificent David Gilmore guitar solos. I mean, one of them, I don't know, I think it was just I was so enveloped in the whole album and the lyrical, because because you know, he's obviously well here, you're a you're you're a um I'll just call you what maybe you're not yet. You're a therapist, or you will be at some point.

SPEAKER_03 36:12

And you usually know, I thought you were about to say a very attractive man. You are a very attractive man as well.

SPEAKER_02 36:19

People don't have the luxury of getting to look directly at you like I am right now. But if usually you would think if someone has a parent pass away when they're three months old or something like that, that they don't struggle the rest of their life with that. Whereas with Roger Waters, he's written entire albums really focused on that through the, you know, and and it still gets brought up over the years. And it just I have a soft spot for him feeling that way and thinking that because his dad got, you know, his dad used to be a not very so political guy, wasn't going to go to the war, you know, kind of, you know, maybe bought into the, hey, we're gonna save the world, you know, kind of thing, went to the war, got killed in the war, and I think because of all that, and it really affected him in a lot in a bit major way, you know, who knows what he grew up, you know, you watch the wall and you kind of see what you think might have been part of his growing up. And he I he became a very, very political, like he was in political clubs, like in in school ages 12 to 15. He was already involved in these political clubs and things, and and it so like I feel like that had a lot to do with who he became as a person. Maybe he would have just been a you know playing playing you know football or something, or he would have been a real athletic guy, uh, but his dad died. And he but when he sings about it, you know, there's a line where he says holding up the Anzio Bridge, they the guy asked his people to be withdrawn, and he says later in after that he talks about the Anzio Bridge was held for a few hundred ordinary lives. Like that's that's all it was is you know, and and it's so you think two, three hundred people had to find out that or you know, two, three hundred families had to find out that there was a child passed away in the war, you know, to hold a bridge, you know, and it just seems so it's it it doesn't seem it's very wasteful. It's a wasteful, you know, and maybe they accomplished and there was a bigger goal, and but looking at it from the viewpoint of someone that that would have lost somebody, and so many families, hundreds of thousands of people in that generation in the 40s, had to deal with the loss of a child, and you figure that's way more. And I I know I asked your opinion, I just keep talking, and you're going like, when's this question? When's the end of the question gonna happen? I guess I'm just trying to get my whole point out before you before you have say it. So, but I do want I want to say everything about the album before that way Bruno gets to hear me. So the final cut, it it took me three, four, or five listens, and then stuff started hitting me a lot harder. The lyrics started hitting me, and some really, really fantastic vocal melodies by Roger Waters, who isn't, you know, the not necessarily the best vocalist, but he's not a real confident vocalist either. And there's only one song that David Gilmore sings on that you can hear a lead vocal, and uh which is a really good one. Yeah, but you really just man, I just feel it makes me hearing the wall and final cut albums make me feel for the guy, and and just to sum up my feelings on this album for Bruno, I love it. God, I love this album, it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 39:51

So you're you're you're very much selling it to me. I'll have to go on a on a pink fly deep dive. I would have done it already, you know, uh in the last week or two, except I was on my my Manchester kick, you know. There you go, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 40:02

That's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

But we'll get there. Um, yeah, the the futility of war and all that. I mean it I think if you think of like Passion Dale, I think that's the ultimate example, right? Or you know, like we'll say like the psalm, like I think like 52,000 died in one day, you know. And it was the usual like blow the whistle over top into the machine gun. Absolute madness, like um the other thing I'm reminded of is the film called Hamburger Hill that's about Vietnam, you know. And like there's one character in it and his mantra is it don't mean nothing, not a goddamn thing, you know. Like basically they fight their way up to the top of this hill, and then they abandon it two weeks later, like you know, all these guys were lost for absolutely nothing. And I guess it's like the back to the front, you know, the Metallica sound, you know. Yeah, yeah. You will die when I say back to the front.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

Disposable heroes, exactly. Yeah, but I mean that word, that word is perfect word for that. Disposable, like just disposable lives, you know. Yeah, which is a it's a it's a damn shame.

SPEAKER_03 41:05

But back to your your other point about uh three months, could he tell anything? Um there's a guy, Gabor Mate, he's kind of like a sort of a guru in the area, you know, of of like psychology. And like he has this thing like that the first twelve months of life is like the the second period of gestation early, like that you know, babies come out and their brain hasn't really developed. So that the first kind of six months or even twelve months is really, really important. And like even that a child can't understand anything in three months, the loss of their major caregiver can have a you know a big impact on the development of their brain. Sure, sure. Yeah, uh you know, it's kind of I wouldn't rule it out like you know, the fact that the fact that people can't remember doesn't really tell you the full story, you know.

SPEAKER_02 41:52

There's a line on that album too where he talks about um would King George sound like a king that would have been in the 40s.

SPEAKER_03 42:03

I can't I'm not I'm not that big on the street.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

I don't remember I don't remember the name, but I think he said King George sent a scroll when he found out Father was gone, and he says that at the end of it he says he signed it with his own rubber stamp, you know, like he couldn't even write it. You know, and it's yeah, it's sad, it's sad. Um and and and I really uh and I feel like that has impacted everything. It's made him because a lot of people have said um Andrew being one of them, talk about him being kind of whiny and bitter and all this stuff, and and I guess just listening to these albums so much, it's like I'm hearing it and going, Well, that's why. And you you can't you can't um when someone loses a loved one, yeah, you can't belittle it or say just get over it, you know. It's it's because it's everyone's different. Some people I have a friend who uh had a daughter that drowned uh when she was two years old, and uh and you would not know it to be around him. I mean, he he's got a just a hilarious sense of humor, and we joke, everything's a joke, we joke about everything all the time. He even jokes about that. Jesus and I and and and and I can't say anything because I'm like if that's what he needs to cope with it, coping mechanism maybe like that. Yeah, and you can't and because he made he made it, he said something, and um uh I'll tell one story about it, and it just oh one day I won't say the actual name. Let's just say Betty. Uh because that's the one Alice Cooper talks about. Little Betty ate a pound in aspirin out of aspirin. Um but one day we're talking and and and we're uh it's a guy I work with, so where he's talking about, yeah, I'm taking off for Birthday, blah, blah, blah. And I go, Who's Betty? And he looks me dead in the eye and goes, The dead one. And I was like, I said, Don't! Don't do that. And then the person sitting next goes, he did not just say what I think. I go, Yeah, he did. He did. So I've even got I've even joined in a little bit with making a random joke here or there. I'm like, yeah, I don't want you to bring your kids to the swimming pool over here because you don't have a good track record. I said it like once, and I've kind of like, you know what? I just don't think I can go there ever again. It's just it feels too wrong. But when I say it, he laughs hysterically, you know, like he, you know, I mean he loved her, and you know, he's still got videos on the phone, and you know, anyway, anyway. So let's get let's get to a more uh inter uh not interesting, but I listened to one more album this week. How about that? I hope Bruno's happy because man, I was craving listening to the final cut before we talked. I was doing something out in the yard and I was just like, I want to listen to that. Um and so the last one I'll listen to was um I listened to the solo album from 1978 by Aceray from Kitch.

SPEAKER_03 45:17

There are free cashews involved.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Yeah, yeah. We're um we're coming up to the one year anniversary of um Ace's passing in about a month, a little over a month.

SPEAKER_03 45:31

And um we're peak memorial zones. Remember, you were on um we we we had uh Ozzy and then we had Ace. Yeah, we were wondering who was next.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

Yeah. Um it was it was a really sad time. You know, Ozzy was in July and then August, two almost two months to the day. I think I think it was the end of September. Man, I was it was you know, it was tough for someone like me because like Ozzy and Ace are like two of my favorite personalities, you know. So uh, but I I I'd been listening to it and I just thought I need I want to change it up with something, and I just thought, you know, I read something about Ace and I was like, you know what? Yeah, I'm gonna listen to some Ace. Just put that one album on, and I'd had a little bit to drink, and uh, you know, not too much, but enough. And um, but I ended up listening to that as well. So uh and and real quickly, because before we go to um thank yous, uh last night was a karaoke night for me. And usually the owners are there and their daughter gets up and sings a lot. So usually if it's not real crowded, I have you know multiple she'll sing a lot.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

In an oats to you, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:45

Yeah. Well, last night they were not there because they were also having an event somewhere else that they were at. So they had someone running the bar, and then they were somewhere else. So the daughter wasn't there, and we would get there, and I'm like, Are we doing karaoke tonight? She's like, Yeah, you want to start it. And I'm like, I'm looking around, I'm like, there's nobody there's one guy there that sings, and he was telling me that he had his throat was messed up and he wasn't gonna be able to sing, and I'm going, like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna be putting in overtime here in a bit. So we were only there for an hour and maybe almost a little under two hours. Five other people got up and sang that my friend sang one song. Yeah, then uh one girl sang a song, her dad sang a song, and uh a guy sang a song, and and then the guys, my friend's wife sang a song. They all sang one song each. Now here's what I sang. I was the only other one that sang by the time I left. So um, let's see, here you might hear a little bit of it. There's a couple of themes here. So I started off because right when I was getting ready to sing, I was like, I'm gonna start off with war pigs, you know, just really lay into it. And right when we were gonna do that, uh, a family walked in, like not uh not kids, but like adults, you know, like older parents and their adult kids. Yeah, and I was like, oh, I don't maybe not want to sing that. So I've been talking about the first time I ever sang and had to work with my voice a little bit to try to sing a little higher, a little lower, and change my range. And so I said, you know what, I'll sing that one first. So I sang Time in a Bottle by Jim Crossy, which is it's from the 70s. Uh and then um the next song I sang.

SPEAKER_03 48:19

Mary, you yeah, you have to record some of this sometime and and share it with us because we're hearing all about all these singing exploits, but we haven't heard anything. Or you could sing on this slide, boss.

SPEAKER_02 48:28

I'm sure I could track going. I'm sure I could send you, I could send you something. I I'm sure there's a recording of it somewhere. Uh the next song I sang was one I've never sang before. It's called Learning to Fly. It's a Pink Floyd song from Momentary Labs of Reason, which I was like, I wanted to try it. And I David Gilmore's voice is kind of mid-range. Yeah, he he can get up there a bit, but like this one was kind of good range for it for me. And I was like, okay, I kind of enjoyed that. Then I sang a song from Dark Side of the Moon called Time. And um, that's the one where they sing um, and then one day you find ten years have got behind you, no one told you where to run. It's a great song, but but David Gilmore sings it, and the keyboard player sings a part. So, like I'm trying to sing like David Gilmore, and then when it gets to Richard Wright's parts, I really have to try to completely change the way I was singing. So it was kind of a challenge, it was fun. And and it was a seven-minute song. So I was like, and it's real mellow, you know, real dreamy. So I was like, seven minutes is good because I'm trying to kill a lot of time, you know? Yeah. Uh after uh after that song Time, I decided let's go into War Pigs, and and uh and as soon as it came on that dad, the older dad that had walked in, as soon as he goes, Ah, War Pigs, I'm like, Yeah, I could have just opened with War Pigs, I guess. Uh then I did a song off of Wish You Were Here called Have a Cigar, which is uh you probably it's like, come in here, dear boy, have a cigar, you're gonna go far. You're gonna fly high. You're never gonna die. You're gonna make it if you try. They're gonna look here. You know what? How about instead of me giving you my rendition?

SPEAKER_03 50:09

Um let me pull up people's music again on Christmas.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

Yeah, let me pull some Pink Floyd up here. This is oh yeah, I forgot you're you're so much younger than me. Yeah. Okay, wait, here, where is uh where's wish you were here? Here we go. See if you recognize this.

SPEAKER_03 50:42

Like something that could be the intro to a TV show, you know.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

I think you remember that.

SPEAKER_03 50:50

I think I've yeah, yeah, I think I've got to do that.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

Okay, let me fast forward a little bit too. You recognize that now?

SPEAKER_03 51:04

I'm I'm enjoying you mute miming it.

SPEAKER_02 51:11

And their lyrics are good. You know, they got some pretty interesting lyrics too. Um and that song is essentially about a record label exploiting a band. He's like um he's like uh oh, so here's the lyrics. Listen to these. Um come in here, like it's the guy sitting in his office with his feet up on the desk. Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar. You're gonna go far. You're gonna fly high. You're never gonna die. You're gonna make it if you try, they're gonna love you. Well, I've always had a deep respect, and I mean that most sincerely. The band is just fantastic. That is really what I think. Oh, by the way, which one's pink? You know, because they used to go, which one's pink? And he's like, and did we tell you the name of the game, boy? We call it Riding the Gravy Train. You know, and then it's like, um, we're just knocked out. We heard about the sellout. You're you gotta get an album out. You owe it to the people. We're so happy we can hardly count. Everybody else is just green. Have you seen the chart? It's a hell of a start. It could be made into a monster if we all pulled together as a team. You know, and that's it's basically, you know, you do all the work and then we'll promote it so we so we can make money, you know?

SPEAKER_03 52:24

And yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

Um but it's yeah, so that was um that's good. Yeah, that's clever, huh? Yeah, that's one that I did. And then I did one that will impress Kirsty now. I did a song called Nutshell by uh Alice and Chains. You know that one?

SPEAKER_03 52:38

I probably heard it because it did an Alice and Chains thing a while back.

SPEAKER_02 52:42

Okay, well, um, just for the sake of it, it's it's a song that everybody loves. And I have a funny story about it when I when I play it here after I tell you, after what happened, after I sang it. So here's here's how it kind of goes. If you watch there unplugged, like the guitar player comes on first, and he's just playing this. Yeah. And then next thing you know the bass player comes on and he's like. He's not there yet. He's on the next line, I think. So the, you know, each guy walks on, then the drums kind of come in, and then the singer comes on last. But this song's very emotional, you know, it's very To me, it has a real Pink Floyd feel to it, you know? Like I was noticing that thinking about Allison Chase, too. Any other crowd would cheer every time a guy came on. Yeah. And when the singer comes on, they just erupt, because he was kind of a recluse at the time. So you know this one? You recognize that? Kirsty, I hope Kirsty didn't hear you say that. Oh, this song's great. So it's a very there's a song in the line later, there's a sorry, there's a line in the song later where he says, um there's a s it kind of ends with I can't be my own. Well, here, let me get to it. Let me let you hear it. Um okay, this is uh going into the last bit of the song.

SPEAKER_03 54:41

I just think that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

I can't be my kids closely. I was doing this part too. I was doing it all. Because you almost like I guess I've never never sang that before. And I realized you unless you're just being a goof, you can't sing that song, especially if you love it and you know the the pain behind it being written and everything. I was so into it. I just had my eyes closed and I was singing, I'm doing that. And all that stuff. And I swear, I and I I know I know if Matt was here, he'd say something like, Yeah, because these people wanted to vomit, they wanted to kick you off the stage. There were two guys in there, the dad and the other guy that were sitting over there with the family, and they were just kind of watching me, and I when I opened my eyes, they were just kind of like staring at me and just kind of like you could tell they were really, really into it too. Yeah. And I was just like, and I I I I I got done and I was like, I would never normally say this, but I was like, I felt like I did really good on that. Like it was because it's it's kind of a mellow, it's not like you're not having to go way up high and anything like that. And I just thought, God, that was it felt emotional just to sing it.

SPEAKER_03 56:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:30

You know, let alone I'm sure riding it and all that.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

The power of music, you know.

SPEAKER_02 56:34

Oh man, absolutely, yeah. But uh, so I did I did a nutshell, like I said, that's from their that's from their EP called Jar of Flies, came out probably '93.

SPEAKER_03 56:46

I've definitely listened to it, but uh, as I said, yeah, um, you know, sometimes if when I go down these little rabbit holes often prompted by yourself, I listen to it a lot. But but you know, like you probably have to listen to 10 times to really stick, like, you know. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

I mean, I've listened to that Pink Floyd album 20 times this week, and and I'm at this stage, oh man, I just I love all the little tiny nuances. There's one part where he talks on that album where he goes, What do you like? He's kind of like, What do you do when you come back from the war and you land on your feet? And it's kind of a throwback to the teacher from the wall album. And he goes, What do you do after you land on your feet? And very quietly whispered, you hear him go, Teach. And it's like, when I first heard that, I was like, Oh, that's cool. Like it's just something very that you'd have to really be paying attention to catch. So okay. So uh after a nutshell, I did another Alice and Chains song called Check My Brain, and which I've done before. Then I did Interstate Love Song, because that's kind of when I I like to sing by uh Stone Temple Pilots, and I ended with a song I've never sung by Alice and Chains as well. I did Heaven Besides You, and it has has the F word in it. So there was other people that had come in, and I was like, they had just walked in, and I go, hey guys, real quick, would you be offended if there's some profanity in the song I'm about to sing? And they're like, No. One guy was like kind of made a face, and I was like, Oh no. He goes, No, no, I don't even care. I don't care at all. I got thought you were gonna be the the one I was gonna have to change the lyric for. So But that's that's all I did was those um eight or nine songs and in my short time there. So uh so that was it was fun. I really enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_03 58:27

And um and are you going to break into anything else that you've never done? Because you know the way you didn't you didn't do singing, right? Or you didn't do karaoke, and then you went big and you didn't do drinking, no you do it.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

I know. What's next? I I know it's uh maybe I'll start smoking smoking cigars or something. I don't know. I told my wife, I said, you know, I can start smoking cigarettes, I guess I go because you know, at least I would, you know, you don't get drunk off a cigarette, you just you just stink. You just die a little quicker, yeah. That life insurance will help, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll help the life insurance. So okay, so let me get into what um the people that shared the podcast really quickly here. Yeah. Did you have any uh podcast that you listened to that you want to share? By the way, before I get to that.

SPEAKER_03 59:16

Well, I I listened to some stuff on on Morrissey and the Smiths. I can't remember who 'twas for. Um actually it was one very good one. The rise and fall of it's like a series and it's like BBC Radio 6. So um there was one on Manchester, which is it's it's like Manchester, but you put the you put a D in instead of the N, right? Because it was like a big scene in the late 80s, early 90s, right?

SPEAKER_04 59:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 59:45

Uh so there was one on that, and there was one then on Oasis, who are obviously huge, you know what I mean? Another Manchester band. Um and there's one that's just starting on on I think is this either the Smiths or The Cure. I don't know Kirsty would be uh fan of both. But it's it's a really good series, very well produced. Um so there's maybe like seven or eight episodes in each. So I kind of like binge listened on that.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:10

Uh and there's another one, it's it's not music, but uh it's a thing it's called the Prodcast, right? So it's um it's a nice play on words like, but it's it's basically it's two uh Southern Protestants in Ireland, right? In in the South, right? Okay, um you know, who they have a very different experience from the North where the the councillors are from, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:34

Like so sort of like, you know, given their experience of it, like uh it's it's interest, it's interesting. It's sort of yeah, you hear about it, it's in the newspapers a bit in that. It's it's kind of political, but it's not not very more sort of a human interest kind of a thing, like. But uh non-music, but it's interesting, and again I sort of binge listen to that because I just kind of heard of it. Yeah, and it's been going for a few months, you know. So that's cool. That's it. So a few bits and pieces, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:59

But that's it. That series is definitely worth checking out, The Rise and Fallout. Because it does like other stuff as well, like brick pop and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:05

So Okay, okay. I'm trying to think if I listened to any podcast this week. I don't really think I did. I'm just gonna double check because it uh No, I d I don't think I did. I think I might maybe I played part of the waffle zone that we did last week or s for some reason, I don't know, but I don't think I've listened to anything, so so let's we'll we'll thank people here, because I know that everybody likes to hear their name get read, you know. And and we do have I'm pretty sure we uh that Gen wrote a novel this week. As he tends to do yeah, and I'm and I and I remember he he was very um his questions are longer than your questions, though. Oh, I know. Exactly. Exactly. So let's see here. Okay, uh we just see we'll start off with uh the we did a main episode and uh it was said this week we're ranking the Iron Maiden Epics uh as ordered in Gen Marutani's polls. We've pitted the top seven classic era epics versus the top seven modern era epics. Tough decisions were made, and I know Matt will appreciate this. Hashtag Iron Maiden.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:20

The visual on that is very good, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:23

Yeah, Matt never gets to even see it. I wish I could see him when I did it, because then I know when I'm getting him, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:30

Then I could actually really push harder, but I never so okay. The reposts were done by the following. Uh his royal dudeness, Dave in the USA. Uh Mick Nolan in uh Cork, Ireland. We met you met Mick, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:44

I did, I met Mick, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:46

Met him at the uh the um the dive bar. The dive bar, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:50

Uh Jesse the Riffweiser in Illinois. Uh Gen Mar Yutani in Chiva, Japan, the happiest man, the most questionable man in podcast land. Um Our friend in uh Finland, Villa. Yo, Villa. Uh yo, Villa. Uh and he's actually JFK's number one fan. He's the biggest JFK fan I know of in that area. So uh the uh hopeless romantic of the podcast, uh Rockerola, Jay. Or or Matt, according to AI. Oh, yeah, exactly. Yeah, uh, I don't know if I told Jay about that, but some Kirsty searched up uh who was the hopeless romantic on the podcast, and it came back and said it was Matt. So I don't know about that. He's he's a hopeless something. Uh Kirsty Prince, our very own Kirsty Prince. Outback Mark in Alice Springs. Simeon in France. Haven't seen Simeon on here in a while. I think he's been doing a lot of research on Matt. I think he's just been really under it, really, just really pushing hard there.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

Uh Simeon as well that I'm in Dublin.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

That's right. We have a picture together, yeah. Next up, uh, we've got um Silent Kev and Alice Springs. And lastly, uh Ron Cougar Kramer Camp in Washington State. Now, uh, okay, I'm gonna read. I'm gonna save Gins for the end. Wait, but let me bu well, you know, uh yeah, I'll save his for the end. I have a feeling we might have an extra Gen waffle zone this week. So uh so first off here, we got uh Chip Ross. Um, and he says, Steve mentioned a podcast about World War I and Passendale. It's Dan Carlin's Hardcore History series, countdown to Armageddon, link in the reply, and he put it in there. It's a card Hardcore History Blueprint. It's blueprint for Armageddon, so that's what it was called. And yeah, when I listened to it, I remember it was about four or five episodes long, and each episode was like four or five hours long. I mean, they were and these things were like I'm talking professional, very well done, so much information. Um I mean, I hate to say that like a Lord Andrew somewhere back in time. It's a Lord Andrew somewhere back in time on steroids, you know. Yeah, it's uh yeah. Uh next up we got Thane of the Woods in um in Indiana. Owen! And uh he says plainly, classic epics versus modern epics, and I am here for it. I think what he's trying to say is hope don't do no more question episodes.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:47

Sword fights at dawn, yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:49

Yeah, yeah. So Andrew, Lord Andrew of Sussex, um our resident uh Pink Floyd hater, apparently, says Point of Order, classic era. ends with seventh son. I think to a lot of people classic era if you include the Paul Diano era in the Classic Era, then I think you have to I I look at it as the Classic Era ends when Bruce left. That's kind of the way I look at it. Even though Fear of the Dark is a weak album.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:19

Yeah, I think most people sort of think of it as kind of like they're when they were huge like Yeah I mean the golden era yeah I definitely understand that yeah. Which I suppose if you were to be really strict about it probably should run from Number of the Beast to Seventh Sun, you know?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

Yeah yeah because the first two were just kind of gathering momentum you know but but then I have to say this and I don't think anybody will argue with me on this question or to Lord Andrew who do you think you are to question Gen Mario Tani Have you ever had Gen on live no yeah yeah we did uh one one time we did uh Megadeth live at the Boudicon we did a review of it because he was there and I was watching the live stream uh he's done his Iron Maiden story and I I want to say he was on one other time but I if he was I can't remember I know he's been twice for sure so right uh so he says um anyway no okay and then he says uh modern era begins with Brave New World so he's basically saying the 90s don't count in either era so yeah I mean I can understand uh you know on one hand I can understand that but I think every song gets the the right to be included because they are all Iron Maiden songs so and it's like Bruce Bruce Dickinson came out of the shower instead of Bobby Ewing you know that season just totally forgotten about you know I never watched Dallas you know I don't know if I'm old enough I mean maybe there is an age difference here that I don't know about no uh I was I was quite young to be watching it to be there but he had the Klansman and sign of the cross and both of those were on um Rock and Rio so yeah yeah Bruce if Bruce was willing to do those then I think Bruce was saying this stuff is worth worth it yeah yeah so and he says anyway Brig easily over to Tamaland Greater Good over Fear of the Dark Dance of Death over Alexander not sure even that I'm not the biggest fan of Alexander in the world ever but seventh son over Clansman so far so far I'm gonna say he's I'm pretty sure these are my these are my all of my votes right so far. Sign of the cross over Phantom which definitely not no man not in the same league Phantom is probably their best song ever like I don't I don't agree that they're not in the same league. I think they're both fantastic but I guess for me Phantom was the very first Iron Maiden song on Live After Death the first album I owned myself where it really stood out to me. So that's that was a tough I I thought it was a tough choice because because uh Sign of the Cross is very atmospheric and you know again going back to maybe a little bit of a Pink Floyd vibe in there so maybe that's why Andrew likes it so much. The Pink Floydish vibe there Andrew I I would have said Phantom Everyday on twice and Sundays you know okay well you know fair enough fair enough uh then he said oh oh whoa I didn't see then he says uh passionale over rhyme of the ancient mariner which I would go with that I agree with that like yeah you know but this last one Hell on Earth over hallowed be thy name that's you know what lyrically Hell on Earth is a very powerful song now I know it's on the album you don't like it so much you know but um man that's you know uh whatever it you know I I don't I don't hate Andrew because of his Pink Floyd hatred I'm a little disappointed with it and a little I'm a little surprised I figured you know he's from England and they're from England two of the guys in the band love Arsenal so but hell on earth that's a ballsy call right there I'd say yeah I guess I suppose um Halloween has already gotten a little bit discounted on account of the whole upright thing yeah that's I pointed that out a little bit too on there and I thought does that discount it enough but whenever someone asked me like I said the one time what's your favorite song of all time and I was like what do you mean favorite song of all you know because it's like so broad. Just your favorite song I was like not even a band I don't even it's impossible to name your favorite song by your one of bands you love it's just like Phantom of the Opera every time yeah well I just said immediately I just I thought about it and I thought you know it's it's got to be hallowed you know or you know Phantom of the Opera on Live After Death is just incredible though I love it. Yeah it's never been the same. When I've seen it live the two or three times I've seen it live it does not compare to that version on Live After Death.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:11

It's slow. Have you done your homework remember I've told you a few times I know it wasn't just Simon I saw Nico play it in 2013 on the um when they did the Seventh Sun tour again the um Maiden England tour.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:27

Yeah I'm pretty sure they it wasn't it was not as fast I wanted man I wanted that hundred mile an hour Niko spit sped up version that they had on live after death so but the the Clive Or would have been on the Life of the Rainbow and there's a brilliant version of yeah but that's got Diano singing so you know it's not it can't be as brilliant. So that's the original sure come on yeah I I do like the original song so yeah yeah okay so next up we got someone uh I'll say from your neck of the woods in a way somebody you've met in person someone my daughter said uh they could be brothers the counselor yeah the honorable counselor Sir Richard Holmes I mean you know y'all are look all I can say is when I crossed over from Ireland into Northern Ireland and Northern Ireland into Ireland I didn't get pulled over at the border to cross you know it was like no no it's it's seamless I asked the guy at the at the at the airport I'm like so what do I have to provide when I cross the border he goes you just have to be in a car driving that's like you know he goes you won't even he goes you won't even notice other unless you see a sign you won't even notice.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:37

I said okay robot signs and your mobile phone when you usually ping to say you're on a new network.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:42

That's that could have been I remember the car we were in it went from I believe miles per hour to kilometers per hour. Yeah like it's flipped on the on the speedometer I was like that's cool I thought was interesting yeah so this is okay so the honorable counselor Sir Richard Holmes of the Ulster Unionist Party in Garva Northern Ireland and he says quite the contest this week Iron Maiden epic contest have to work with what Gen's rankings were but for me there are much better songs in the modern era epics than those that made the top seven I do agree with this uh so this is what he says give me no more lies the thin line between love and hate the talisman over Benjamin Breag whoa Dance of Death and the Klansman over all three of those actually but that's just me anyway here goes uh tame Tatame a land versus Breag Tame a land never been a fan of Brig, great fan of Breag and always love the guitars in the middle of Tatame a land I can agree with that. Tatame Land has some amazing music uh fear of the Dark versus for the greater good of God uh for the greater good of God I'm a big fan of Fear of the Dark still enjoy it live but greater good is one of the finest of the reunion era agreed Alexander vs Dance of Death Alexander had this been No More Lies it would have been a different answer. Oh so he would have put No More Lies over Alexander okay uh love the drums in Alexander and the lyrics never bothered until recent years when people have complained about the wiki nature of them fair enough seventh Son vs clansman seventh son seeing seventh son live recently edges this one the music in the second half is awesome and great to watch them draw it to a close live fair yeah phantom versus sign of the cross uh he says I know ballad would probably pick sign of the cross but he didn't he didn't say that he says uh Phantom sign is great but phantom's simplicity gives it the edge fair enough fair enough although it is complex as a song like lots of time changes and yeah yeah different passages in it yeah yeah uh number two rhyme versus passionale passionale the lyrics win it here for the modern era as good as any of the war poems we recite at remembrance okay yeah that's that's a big one oh man there we go number one hallowed be thy name versus hell on earth how do you pick between these how oh see he has a long paragraph here he says hallowed probably sums maiden up better than any other perhaps save the trooper but I love Hell on Earth Harris is best ever wow but if Maiden ever conclude with a career spanning greatest hits tour rather than just the 80s I'll be surprised if they include Hell on Earth but shocked if they don't include hallowed. If I had to advise someone which to listen to I would tell them hallowed and once they'd gone I'd put on Hell on Earth and count your blessings still alive of those who managed to survive I'll give this battle to the modern era. So he ended up choosing Hell on Earth.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:08

Wow final score classic era four modern era three thank you counselor yeah he he messaged me earlier and he's like I chimed in this week and I was like okay yeah I I I'm a big fan of um free I have to say I love that song but no that guitar kicks in I mean it's just it's all simple it's up and it's down but it's it's brilliant though you know the storyline the the lyrical content and everything is very cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:40

I don't know if you've ever seen that Twilight Zone episode that I always mention but where the guy can look at someone's face and see if they're gonna die or not it's I kind of liken it to that. Yeah I guess he can see so okay next up we have um Bruno McDonald man we're getting the big guns here now nice work Gen and Uncle Steve Kirsty and Matt for me he says uh to tame a land he has an X beside one and the a checkmark besides one the X is besides to Tame a land and the check mark is Benjamin Brie. Fear of the Dark gets a check mark over greater good of God Oh I I should have known this one he hates Somewhere in time you know Alexander the Great Great only gets actually gets three X's and Dance to Death gets a check mark. Just make sure it's dead like like the stakes and the Holy Water and the garlic and exactly Seventh Son gets an X next to the Klansman Yeah I wouldn't agree I wouldn't agree there either. Let's see here Phantom of the Opera gets the check next to Sign of the Cross Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner gets the X and Passion Dale gets the check. Yeah and Hallowed Be Thy Name gets a check and uh Hell on Earth gets the X. So looks like he got uh one two same same tally as uh the counselor had four to three so yeah I I think probably Hell and Earth might stand out better if it wasn't kind of the turret of three epics in a row you know oh that's that's a possibility yeah I yeah I do enjoy uh two of the three a lot and one of them one of them to me kind of drones on a little more i I don't hate it but if some real nice musical parts within it but I just like you know I yeah I would have I wouldn't remove it a bit of editing would have helped in some of them you know that's hard man it's like it's trying to even as as dumb as our podcast is trying to think of well if we talked for an hour and a half what would I edit out you know because it was all fun you know yeah but and especially when you're putting your heart and soul into making music you know all right next up is Metal uh Bill he says uh a valiant effort by all three hosts of this podcast unfortunately they could only manage a 42.86 accuracy in their selections a nice try by all involved I look forward to seeing an improvement on the next challenge are his votes here okay well guess not we're in suspense now yeah I know okay so the uh this one uh out back mark and he didn't he didn't really do a queek wo I think he meant to but he just didn't do it right but but I will read it because he does take the time to write up a nice little paragraph here so he says that's hard that's hardly a Gen paragraph like I know this is like just this is like um like a split second in Gen's this is like a blink of an eye for Gen. But as usual Outback starts off with well if you were hoping for Iron Maiden questions round 486 then you'll be very disappointed. However if you want to ponder on some thought provoking decisions between old and new epic Iron Maiden songs then you're in for a treat. Our expert panel of three hosts from three different continents come together as one and almost unanimously and harmoniously complete the task set for them by Gen. Much has been said about the Japanese culture and people Steve Jobs said there's a sense of beauty in Japan, a simplicity and appreciation of the aesthetic Liz Gilbert said it's a place where cutting edge modern modern modernity modernity sorry I've never seen that word before that's not a that's not that big a word on C I know it just looks it's it's interesting at the end modernity meets deep deeply rooted tradition Alexander McQueen pointed out how the Japanese accept and respect the work of a craftsman and I'm gonna guess that Ace Fraley probably said Japan's a pretty awesome place too all are valid points and absolutely encapsulate what we've come to know and love about the mighty Gen Mario Tani from Chiba Japan. And incidentally Gen is the only person to command an additional sidewaffle to accommodate his insight and feedback little do you know and to quote a famous Japanese admiral Gen with your excellent topic this week it would appear that you've awoken a sleeping giant. Well done all well thank you very much thank you very much and I'm gonna double check just to make sure I that I can't find Gen's other post here. I don't know what it where it would be though because uh never so I wanted to talk about yeah I'm looking and I'm looking and it's not here so okay let's real quickly other than maybe what Gen posted we'll get to uh the uh waffle zone here but uh it says this week on the waffle zone one Australian music two a Thor fan three Kissy McBonjovi lover butt four rodent talk five more pink floyd six six six seven ways to win eight obsess much that's a question for myself Reposts were done by Jesse the Riffweiser in Illinois of course Genmaritani in Chiba Japan um Villy Wally work in Finland JFK's number one fan don't blow your top villa uh Kirsty Prince in Perth Australia Outback Mark in Alice Springs Simeon in France Matt's biographer uh Kevin Poland also in Alice Springs who knows that Matthew is whack and Ron Cougar Kramer Camp okay um and there's only three quiet quotes here one of them was done by me and it just says simply in quotations a few hundred ordinary lives because I just that line's just powerful to me so yeah um as we discussed earlier um so to end the waffle zone I have to say uh thank you for uh uh showing up and filling in very very adequately for Matthew uh god I I I got more than I bargained for you got a lot more than you bargained for you learned a lot from Gen uh you're and I'm sure when you see this one show up on the feed this week you'll be like there's one I can skip everyone will be looking like two and a half hours my God yeah when you go to Manchester you can uh yeah yeah have that on your headphones I I don't think I'm there that long oh yeah so um so seriously thank you for uh being here I appreciate you doing this it's uh yeah we haven't talked uh in person or you know over the couple of weeks uh for a while so yeah it's been nice to have another chat with you so thank you very much sir excellent thank you on to see and cheers everybody