The Waffle Zone... Episode 359

This week on The Waffle Zone:

1. Australian Music

2. A Thor Fan

3. KISSY McBonJoviLover Butt

4. Rodent Talk

5. More Pink Floyd!

6. 66

7. Ways to win

8. Obsess much?!

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:25

Hello and welcome to the Waffle Zone. My name is Uncle Steve. And joining me on the line to waffle on, as we used to say for about one episode, I've got Kirsty Prince in Perth, Australia. How are you, Kirsty?

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Hello, I'm good.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

Thank you. How are you? Good. Are you ready to waffle on a bit?

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Waffle on.

SPEAKER_03 0:46

We should call it the yammering on zone then. In honor of your mom.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Let's not.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Well, if we did, someone who could uh yammer the paint off a wall over there in Kansas City, I've heard. Matthew in Kansas City. Matt, how are you?

SPEAKER_04 1:06

Peachy. Very glad to be here.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

Is a peach your favorite fruit, Matt?

SPEAKER_04 1:15

Uh no. A pineapple is my favorite fruit by far. You know what? Pineapple for me is passionate. It just kills everything else.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

No, it doesn't actually make it. Puts a lump in your throat.

SPEAKER_04 1:30

I don't do it properly.

SPEAKER_03 1:33

That's exactly right.

SPEAKER_04 1:34

Lucky it's got a circle in the middle, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. So, well, I appreciate both of you guys being here. I know people are going to be excited because a waffle with three is always better.

SPEAKER_04 1:48

It's better than just you and me.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

That's true. Very true. So, we're going to get straight into this, Matthew. I've got, okay, so I'm reading my notes here. I've got the first 35 minutes slotted to Kirsty to go over her music. So, Kirsty, what did you listen to this past week?

SPEAKER_00 2:08

Alright, well, I'm just going to go back just over a week to let you know that I went to see Carnival live.

SPEAKER_03 2:18

I was aware of this.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

One of my favorite bands. And they've got an album out that came out this year called In Vases, which was their first album for many a year. And they played eight tracks from it.

SPEAKER_03 2:31

How many tracks are on it?

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Ten, I think.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

Golly, that's impressive.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Yeah. Um. So it was like they'd done all and they had a heart player as well, so that just added an extra layer to it that I really enjoyed. Um, they'd done their three most famous tracks, and then they finished, and they came back on for the encore. I thought, well, what are they gonna do now? And it was the final two tracks from their latest album.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

Dang.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

And their last song, um, Salva has bagpipes, which is just really beautiful moment on the song, and they had a real person playing the bagpipes live that's touring around with them. So that's cool. That that was just just incredible. Um, so yeah, I've listened to Inverse is the album. I've also listened to Carnival's first album, Themata, which is an album that you the album that you listened to, Steve, on Listen with Stevie.

SPEAKER_05 3:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:37

It's probably my favourite in terms because the others are all like you'd listen to the album as a whole, whereas Themata is like lots of songs on an album. Okay. You know what I mean. Yeah, definitely. Probably more accessible.

SPEAKER_03 3:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Um listen to another album from a band that I've seen this year, Vola. I listened to their album called Witness, which I think is my my favorite album by them, because it it isn't the album that they were touring, but it's the album that I keep going back to. Okay. And on the subject of your favourite style of music, progressive rock from I listen to Voyager! Um, and they and they're in Europe now. Um Simone's flying out today. Danny's already in Amsterdam because they're playing Amsterdam, London, and Manchester, I think it is. Um, I listen to their fifth album called V.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

And something else you kind of know I talk about a lot, but you've never heard of. Ascension by Paradise Lost, which was their latest album that came out last year. And I think you know how Obsidian's this like one of my favourite albums, full stop. Um, but I think I like this one just as much. And I hadn't played it for a while. I played it all the time when it came out. When I put it on, I was just thinking, oh my goodness, why don't I just play this every week? It's so good.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

Okay. Paradise Lost. That's that uh, doesn't that guy uh that kissy McKiss button his favorite band?

SPEAKER_00 5:21

Uh why are we calling him that today? It's because he's such a big Kiss fan.

SPEAKER_03 5:25

Yes, because well I could call him Bon Jovi McJov McB how would I say that? Bon Jovi McBon Jovi, but because you know he was in the gym listening to Bon Jovi, you know?

SPEAKER_00 5:34

I mean he was.

SPEAKER_03 5:35

He's a big fan, I I gather.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:39

You'd have to be if you're in the gym listening to Bon Jovi, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Well, maybe it just makes you want to go faster so you can get it over with quicker.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

But Bon Jovi motivates him, in other words.

SPEAKER_00 5:51

Yeah. Uh I had a recommended recommendation from Villa.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Our Finnish friend.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

Um, yes, our Finnish friend. We were I was telling him about the the bagpipes in carnival, and he said he told me about this band called Rivers of Nile, where um they have a saxophone and it's an American tech death metal band. And he was talking about this album, it's called Where Owls Know My Name, and it's from 2018, and it's his desert island disc.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

Really?

SPEAKER_00 6:29

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 6:31

Now I enjoyed the progressive part. Sometimes I didn't enjoy the death metal part. So I'd be like really the really, really incredible music. Um then it'd be some really fast, greamy bits, and sometimes they were a bit much. And I found if they came later in the song, that was okay, but if the song started with them, I didn't like it as much. Um but I really, really enjoyed the title track, um, Where Owls Know My Name, that was called. Um, I've looked into this on the internet and they say, if you like the prog, listen to the later stuff. If you like the death metal, listen to the earlier stuff. So, you know, I might try maybe their latest album or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 7:18

Well, that's good. It's good that there's someone actually kind of directing you that way, you know, helping out.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Yeah. Well, you know, like Bill is good at recommending music. This is some of us.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

Yeah. Oh, yeah, Matthew. Matthew.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

Now, I'm just gonna very much disappoint Pink McFloyd butt.

SPEAKER_03 7:41

Okay, pinky.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

I have listened to some Pink Floyd.

SPEAKER_03 7:47

Oh, you can't.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Because if you can't beat them, join him, hey? Now, I started off with the dark side of the moon, which I used to hear every day on my way to and from work.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Um, a long time ago, so probably about 95 this would have been. I used to get a lift with this guy to work. Because we lived in hospital accommodation in one hospital, but we worked at a different hospital. That um so we'd both be traveling to and from every day. And he never ever took the dark side of the moon set out of his car at any stage.

SPEAKER_03 8:24

Was his name Andrew Whitnall by chance?

SPEAKER_00 8:28

No, okay, just make it. His name was Derek, and he was an audiologist. And I haven't really played the Dark Side of the Moon since then, but it was like I knew every single note. Yeah. Still. I'd say this is the most accessible of the albums. It was almost feels like a great hit, greatest hits. I don't know if that's you know, because I know all the songs, but you know, it's got so many good songs. It's got Breathe, Money, Time, Us and Them, Brain Damage. They're all like famous songs.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

Yeah, yeah. Maybe not to Matthew, but well when you when it when it's sold like a you know, 50 million copies or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Yeah. And you don't often hear me say I got goosebumps, but the great gig in the sky, yes, I did.

SPEAKER_03 9:14

Oh wow, okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

Uh very, very much enjoyed that. And you know, you just kind of um Spotify will just put something on after you finished listening to an album.

SPEAKER_03 9:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

But it didn't let me down because you need something pretty good after something like that.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

And it was Solitude by Black Sabbath.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Oh, okay, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

Which is just such a lovely, chilled out instrumental vibe.

SPEAKER_03 9:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

And oh, this is so good. And as it was Aussie Day.

SPEAKER_03 9:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

The anniversary of his passing, I thought, you know what, I'm gonna listen to Master of Reality.

SPEAKER_03 9:53

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

And it's only 34 minutes long, did you know?

SPEAKER_03 9:57

Yeah, they weren't that long back then.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

When you think about how long some of these albums we're listening to are these days. Yeah, Master of Reality, such a great album. Got Children in the Grave, Into the Void. It's an absolute classic.

SPEAKER_03 10:12

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

But I I went back into it, uh the the Pink Floyd with Wish You Were Here, which is you know, kind of like a tribute to Sid Barrett, and also how awful the record industry is and things like that. Almost a concept, not quite a concept.

SPEAKER_03 10:32

Yeah. Great album though.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

Well, sort of a theme.

SPEAKER_03 10:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Uh great album. Um, I love those four notes at the start of Shine On Your Crazy Diamonds. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Something about that. But uh it's got some brilliant moments, some meandering pieces as well. Or so than on the dark side of the moon, but all still very listenable. Welcome to the machine, have a cigar, good songs. Um yeah. Yeah. So that that was good. Then there was a bit of a chat about the wall, as you know, on uh Twitter.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

Yeah, our friend Andrew Whitnall.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

Yes, he said it was as long as Sanjutsu, and I'm like, I'm sure I've listened to the wall. Yeah, but then I thought, well, have I? I don't remember listening to something that long. The way he's describing it and everything.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Um, I know I've definitely had watched the movie, but wasn't exactly sober when I watched it. So was it last week or what? No, no, no. Back in the old 90s again. Um so I think I think with this. I mean, yes, there's some there's a couple of really great classic songs on like another brick and a wall part two.

SPEAKER_03 11:49

Yeah. And comfortably numb.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Yes, that's the one. Um but yes, there are there are pieces of music. I think you need to think of the story here. You do think of it being a story, it helps if you've seen the movie, I think. It could help.

SPEAKER_03 12:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Or if you're someone who likes to listen to musicals or soundtracks for enjoyment, which I have been known to do. Um, not if you just want to listen to a bunch of hip pop song bangers or anything, but look, it's very theatrical.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

Very much.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

Um at no time did I get tired of it when I was listening to it. Yeah. It's something I'd put on every day. But I think, you know, I think it's a it is a very good album there for but you have to appreciate it as what it is. Yeah. It's st it's telling a story. But I think if Matt's still here, I would recomm I would recommend the dark side of the moon if he was gonna go down the Pink Floyd Road. Okay.

unknown 13:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 13:02

Dokie dokie. That's good to know.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

He's just being really quiet.

SPEAKER_04 13:06

How is he sometimes? No, taking everything in.

SPEAKER_03 13:10

He might be taking notes.

SPEAKER_00 13:12

Well, he might be writing tweets. Uh, been listening to David Bowie a lot, and not so much albums. Chloe and I have been watching him on YouTube quite a lot.

unknown 13:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

Just the one album, The Man Who Sold the World from 1970.

SPEAKER_03 13:30

Is there anything on that that's really famous other than that song? I mean, I know that song.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

Not really, not really, but it was easy to listen to, consistent, lots of good songs. Not too arty, like some of the albums that I've listened to. Where I've got, hmm, what's this? So um recommending that one. Um kind of, and at the weekend I saw some live music. Dark era. The Perth Symphonic Metal Band. With the female singers, with the female singer. Yep. Um, a single launch, they've got a new song out called We Are Blind.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

And then on the next following night, I took Chloe to go and see one of her favourite artists who's called Leve, which is spelled L-A-U-F-E-Y. Mm-hmm. She's Icelandic. And all I knew was I've heard it, and it sounds like someone singing like jazz standards, like Ella Fitzgerald, and I thought I was gonna be so bored. Yeah. But there was so much more to it than that. She was really talented, there was a good stage show.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

Um Chloe enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

Yeah, Chloe had the great time. She sang along to every single song. I didn't really know any songs at all.

SPEAKER_05 14:50

Oh good.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

Um, but everybody dresses up for it as well, like something to do with the album art or a song or whatever. So there were lots of costumes. It was almost like going to like a like a Disney show or something. Okay. Seeing everyone dressed up, walking to it. And yeah, we had a lot of fun. Um she's uh she's very great. That's awesome. Yeah, I'd I'd listen to that again. That was good. That was much better than when I took my kids to Katy Perry, that's for sure. So apart from that, I've I've listened to some random Iron Maiden tracks, and that's pretty much me. So not quite 30 minutes this time.

SPEAKER_03 15:32

Oh, okay. Well now I've got to see if Matt can add to see. I had 45 minutes scheduled for Matt, so maybe he can make up for the other 15. So he can probably get you 70 minutes here.

SPEAKER_04 15:44

I don't know that I can. I'm gonna say something for a moment. Uh I listened to something that prompted me to stay in a certain track, but I'll get back to that. I'll move on to what it put me into. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, it will eventually. It whatever I listened to to start with, I wanted to keep within the same sort of time area or time span. So I was listening to Alice Cooper, and I listened to Love It to Death. Okay, which I've before is probably my favorite Alice album. And I love Sunrise, which I know you don't. So I like all the woos, all the woes. This is true. This is true. I love the way that that track ends, it just kind of revolves around that melody, it goes around and around. But after I listened to Love It to Death, I thought, oh, I want to listen to some more. So I've gone back on a bit of Alice dive again. Um had listened to your favorite. I think was Bustle of Love your favourite? No. Sounds like something you would love. Mm-hmm. But it has one of my favourite tracks on here, uh Big Apple Dreaming, which I've talked about before. Yeah. Relatively simple, but it's a catchy track. But it led me to Lace and Whiskey, and then Alice Goes to Hell. Welcome to my nightmare, School's Out, Killer.

SPEAKER_02 17:05

Golly.

SPEAKER_04 17:06

Yeah, I went back to Muscle of Love again. But then after that, I'd had enough of 70s music, and I moved on to something from uh the 2010s, thereabout, I think it was. Bella Corps, which was quite quite different to Alice Cooper.

SPEAKER_03 17:21

A little bit, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:22

Yeah, of Breath and Bone. But where my musical week all started, uh, I don't know if I'll tell you the name of this album. I'll tell you, I was apprehensive in listening to it, and I was especially apprehensive because I was previously advised that the first track uh that the intro ran for about four minutes, and when I listened to it, strangely I didn't mind it, and then at about the four and a half minute mark or so, it started to pick up a little. I was kind of digging it because there's some guitar in it, and I really liked the tone of the guitar. Just painting a little picture at all, perhaps? Because someone advised me to listen to an album.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

I don't know. I'm I mean, I'm waiting for you to say it because I I've learned that jump in the gut.

SPEAKER_04 18:13

All is not as it appears to be.

SPEAKER_03 18:14

Is it called Crushers of the World? Is that what it is?

SPEAKER_04 18:17

No. Okay. So it was actually Remember When You Were Young.

SPEAKER_03 18:23

Is that what it was called? No, it's called uh Shine On Your Crazy Diamond if you're talking about that song. Ah, the line is Ah, remember when you were young. Is that the name of the song? That's the first line.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

Oh, okay. Well, that the Pink Floyd album, I didn't write the name of it.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

Wish you were here.

SPEAKER_04 18:38

Is that what it was?

SPEAKER_03 18:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 18:39

I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed that first track. I was like, man, there's no vocals until eight and a half minutes.

SPEAKER_03 18:44

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_04 18:45

But I but I almost didn't notice. Actually, I it caught me by surprise when there was vocals.

SPEAKER_05 18:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:52

Like it it just ebbed and flowed just really nicely. That that previous four minutes with the guitar and all that. I really liked it. Um and the next track, Welcome to the Machine. I was liking the mellowness of that. I just it's funny because I'd found myself kind of softly whistling when I was uh listening to it. Listening to the melodies, and something hit me. I was like, man, this sounds it reminds me of something, it just sounds familiar. And when I was whistling them along to the melody, I was like, this sounds like Bruce's Eternal, like the verse parts from Eternal. I found it just really similar to that. So I stopped listening, went and listened to Eternal, it came back. So it's not the same, but it's the same sort of vibe.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Yeah, do you know what? I had the exact same thought, and then I forgot.

SPEAKER_04 19:40

Is that right? On that track.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Yeah, because I thought of it, but I carried on listening to the album and then the thought went away again.

SPEAKER_04 19:46

It's very dreamy. Stopped and acted on it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, if I don't stop and do it, because I wasn't sure. I was like, am I imagining this? And I was like, no, this is very, very similar. Um, but yeah, I just I like the vibe of the lyrics and all to this for the most part. Just they're dark. And I don't know if they're supposed to be dark, but it's just a bit the mood that it presented to me.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:10

Like the machine was the world, and the world tells you what to dream. And it made me think of uh Boss Crimson Idol a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 20:18

I think it's about the music scene, yeah, because both of those albums are have a you know, Crimson Idol definitely has to do with you know being an artist and being kind of industry, yeah. Directed, and you know, this is what did you dream? It's alright. We told you what to dream.

SPEAKER_04 20:34

Exactly. You're basically groomed, yeah. Not RP groomed, but you know, to to be this is you're gonna be part of this machine. We're gonna make you this, or whatever. But uh, I enjoyed it, but that was the only Pink Floyd that I listened to. But that was all my that was all I listened to this week. So there was a a notable sort oh sorry, noticeable absence of this week.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 21:01

And I was surprised. I was like, oh, I didn't get around to Creative this week, but the opportunity just didn't present itself, and I wasn't in the mood for that. After I listened to Pink Floyd on Monday morning, I was just in the mood for like a 70s kind of vibe.

SPEAKER_03 21:17

You're K-poor this week. Very K-poor.

SPEAKER_04 21:20

But that was my listening.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

Oh, that's a K in Pink.

SPEAKER_03 21:23

Oh, there you go. That's true. There it is, there it is. Okay, well, that was Matt for the week. So I listened to quite a few different things, and um one less a much less notable on one band, obviously, this week here. But I started off, I knew this would please Matt. Uh started off with some black label society. I didn't start off with them actually, but that's what I have written down at the top here. Uh I listened to three albums, Matt. Listen to Doom Crew. Story brought Doom Doom Crew Doom Crew Incorporated, Engines of Demolition. And grimaced hits. I listened to one album by Pink Floyd this week. And I was hoping to listen to it a little more, but I got off on a tangent on somebody else here. But I listened to their album that came out after the wall called The Final Cut, which I believe is Bruno McDonald's favorite Pink Floyd album. And there's some stuff I really do like on that album. That's the album that has the line about, you know, a few hundred uh ordinary men. And he's basically singing about an event that in where his father, his dad, was one of the you know few hundred, I believe. And uh it's just there's some real his lyrics are just he really it I mean I guess to say for for someone to lose a parent altered them it seems very like that makes sense, but usually when it's uh when the person is only two years old and they lose a parent, or you know, it doesn't seem like it resonates with the with the child as long, you know?

SPEAKER_00 23:11

And with gone their whole life without that parent, which has a massive effect on them most probably.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

Well with him, it's it's you know, it's so obvious when you hear like you listen to the wall, there's so many things that he's done where where that is brought up, and it's you know, it it really makes you for it for the kind of guy that a lot of people say he is, and you know, oh he's this you know real douchebag and all this stuff. I really feel for the guy because it obviously really, really deeply affected him, and still sounds like it still does, you know? All these years later, so but I'll I'll get I'm gonna I plan on listening to that one again for sure, the final cut. I do I do enjoy the only thing I don't like about it is it's it's just it's all Roger Waters all the time, except for the guitar solos, so it feels like so. Um now last week there was an album that got mentioned by Gen Mar Yutani, and I said that his description of that album might have inspired me to listen to it. So I thought, you know what? I was I got to a point where I didn't know what to listen to, and I just thought, let me just throw that album again mentioned and see what I think. So it's probably only the second or third album ever I've listened to by the band called Deep Purple.

SPEAKER_05 24:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

But it's their newest album called Splat. And I turned it on. It's what?

SPEAKER_00 24:42

It's a terrible name.

SPEAKER_03 24:43

I know, I know. But they've got a few other album titles more recent that are just the kind of bizarre names as well. I can't remember what they are, but but I thought, you know, I'll turn this on and see what I think. Because I've never really been a big deep purple fan. I've liked songs by them. So I turned it on and immediately, like, it sounded amazing. Like I was like, holy crap, because you know they got the uh the ham and organ kind of thing going on, and and it sounded really cool until Ian Gillen started singing. And it wasn't terrible, his singing wasn't terrible, but I've just I've never really been an Ian Gillen fan. I've never been a big fan of his voice. And I kind of listened to the album, I listened to the whole thing, and the thing I walked away with was just like if this had a different singer, I'd probably like it more. Because the music was really cool. There's a lot of really cool music on that album. So I wouldn't call it a failure of an album in my eyes. I just I just kind of thought, yeah, I just don't love Ian Gill. Look, and I recognize the guy as, you know, pushing 80. So I mean, fair enough.

SPEAKER_00 25:52

Yeah, that's what I thought. When you said about the singing, I thought, oh, is is it because he's got older but you've never been a fan?

SPEAKER_03 25:58

Never really. I mean, I do like I do like the Perfect Strangers album.

SPEAKER_00 26:03

Yeah, it's awesome. That's one of my faves.

SPEAKER_03 26:05

But I don't I I've never loved him. I've just never really is he's never, you know. I mean, I'm not and you know, he's there there are songs by Deep Purple I like, but you know. I I think if I had to call myself a fan of one of their vocalists the most, I'd probably go with um oh, the bass player. Um the one that sang those songs with Bruce that you sent me, uh uh George Hughes. Glenn Hughes. Glenn Hughes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:32

We got there in the end.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

We got there eventually, yeah. Um another album I list decided to put on was uh one of Matt's favorites that he was clamoring for me to listen to last week uh by Iron Reagan called Demonetization, and and with everything else I was listening to, I just was not in the mood for that. I played it, it's very short, six songs, maybe ten or twelve minutes long, and I got done with it, and I just was like, I think I'm done trying to listen to them. Even though they had the uh you know nuclear assault sounding vocals there, Matt.

SPEAKER_04 27:08

Is it too one-dimensional? Do you think for you?

SPEAKER_03 27:12

Uh I'm a very shallow person, so I don't think I realize that. I don't think it's too one-dimensional. I just I think I'm not in the I wasn't in the mood for it because I went on a deep dive this week. And a bit of a deep dive, more than I've ever done in my life on this particular band. Because what'd you say?

SPEAKER_00 27:31

What's it gonna be? What are we all gonna be stuck with now?

SPEAKER_03 27:34

Well, no, I don't I don't know how long it's I don't I don't know, I don't think it's gonna last three months. Um I it's a band I listened to last week as well. Um, and I'll say it's one of the very first albums I ever had by a rock band. And Okay, I'll just go. It's the band Rat. Like, and and there was I gotta first okay, I gotta dig at Matt real quick here. Every time I was listening to Rat this week, because I tried to play a little bit for Matt last week, and he just kind of goes, it sounds of its time. I don't I don't really like his vocals or whatever, blah, blah, blah. And at a certain point during the week, when I was listening to it, I kept thinking of Matt saying that, and I kept thinking It's putting me off. I kept thinking, He's right. This is the guy that likes Thor. How can he talk about not liking music or vocals from anybody? He likes Thor.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

But I'm just gonna know what he means though, because sometimes it's hard to get into Oh, no, I totally understand it. Back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 28:32

I totally understand it, but I just kept thinking, he likes Thor. How can anything, how can he say anything doesn't sound good? You know?

SPEAKER_04 28:41

He likes Thor. It's funny you mentioned that because when I was coming home here tonight, there's a little theater not too far away. And there's a couple of tribute bands playing. Molly Crewe paired with Rat. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:56

And I was like, oh yeah, I liked both of them.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

I think it would have been right there.

SPEAKER_03 28:59

I saw I saw a rat cover band one time. I don't remember, they were opening for somebody.

SPEAKER_04 29:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

And I remember kind of like, well, they're pretty good. You know, it's I but so here's what I okay. So let me tell you what I listened. So I listened to their debut now the the two albums, Out of the Cellar, and because I I tried that several months ago once, and I remember kind of going like, well, that's a little better than I thought. But when I listened to it again like a week ago, and I remember like and I remember saying the same thing to you. I said, It feels very fully fleshed out. Like these guys know who they are. Like there was no questioning what they wanted to be and who they sounded, you know. It was really I think that out of the cellar album, it's got one song that I think is just that I skipped at some point during the week. The one I told you about last week was like the She Wants Money or something like that. Uh the second album is called Invasion of Your Privacy. I think that's really good. That's the one that I had uh on a on the back of my Wasp cassette. And back in the day, Wasp completely overshadowed it, you know. So um, but then I just I was listening, I listened to those two albums over and over and over and over during the week, and I finally went, let me just kind of see what happened to them later. Where did they go? Because they don't have that many albums. So I went to their next one, which was called Dancing Undercover. And I listened to it and I was kind of like, eh, it's alright. You know, there's some there's some cool songs mixed in there, you know, with some not so cool. Then I went to the next album, which was called Reach for the Sky, and I kind of felt the same way. I kind of like, there's a song or two that I, you know, rem recognized that was famous or whatever. And now I I thought it was interesting I was reading about them. Their first four albums all went platinum, which I thought was very impressive. Like I don't even think Wasp made it that format.

SPEAKER_05 30:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

Which is impressive. Um Then they were kind of trying to figure some things out, and they did Detonator, and I think they did that one with um uh Desmond Child. I think he was the producer for that album, and consequently writing songs with them and you know, trying to get more, you know, trying to get something back. Then they did a self-titled album called Rat. And then their final album uh came out in I think 2010. It was called Infestation, and I really liked that one. I thought that was a really good album, um, which really surprised me because I just I I've listened to Rat more this week than I have in my entire life, and they were one of the first bands. The first bands was Wasp, Rat, and Motley Crue. That's what I got on Cassette and Kiss, of course. So, but I as I listened to their whole catalog, I just thought there's a lot of songs throughout their catalog that are really liked. I was really surprised. So, I don't know if there'll be a regular or what in my listening. Uh maybe moving into this next week they will, but we'll see how that goes. So, uh, and then I listened to one other album. Uh, let's see, what day would that have been? Uh Saturday. Saturday. I met a friend of mine at a restaurant that most people will know I've talked about called Fred's.

SPEAKER_04 32:25

Margarita's on.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

On an empty stomach.

SPEAKER_04 32:28

Oh, you got it. Jeez. I wonder how this will turn out.

SPEAKER_03 32:31

Yeah. Well, I had a couple margaritas and I ate lunch there. And I but I didn't get. I mean, I had I think I had snacked on some stuff before I went. It wasn't completely empty stomach, but I was okay mostly.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Is this when you got on Twitter?

SPEAKER_03 32:44

No, no, no. I did that today. That was today. Um when I made my Yoko Ono comment. Um But uh I had to come home and do some yard work, so I couldn't really, you know, get too far anyway. But um, you know, as the yard work went, I had I had some fireball in the car and uh ended up drinking, I had four shots worth of it in the car.

SPEAKER_04 33:09

I drank all of it in the Some people have a breakdown kit. Yeah, fireball.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Yeah, in case of emergency break, break glass. But by the end of it, uh mowing the yard, doing all the stuff, by the end of it, I was sitting in my I was uh I was sitting in my bathroom, getting ready to take a shower, sobbing my eyes out because I was listening to patient number nine. I was just balling my eyes out, just, you know, of course, I was heavily under the influence for a little while, and uh just crying my eyes out, listening to Ozzy and just being like, oh man, it was, you know, you know, he just he this is the anniversary close to it when he passed away. And uh and I sobered up by the time my wife got home, and uh Luckily. Luckily, but yeah, I listened to Patient No. 9 probably about probably five times. I just I had it on a continuous loop for a couple of days. Uh what an amazing album to go out on. I'm s I'm glad he got it out, you know, and uh love that album though, so. But that was my listening for the week. Uh I'll I'll tell you about my podcast real quick, because I did listen to a couple. Um I went back 20 months today and I listened to an episode of Decibel Geek called The Best and Worst of Rat. Because I knew they had done it at some point, but I never listened to it because I was like, eh, what do I care? Until until now, and I was kind of like, yeah, I'd like to just kind of hear them talk about it. And then the other one I listened to was a Rock Talk with Mitch LaFon, which I don't even think really is is ongoing anymore. And it was Rats, Robin Crosby, his final interview from 2001. Uh he died of uh well he had I think he had full-blown AIDS at the time. Uh and I think he got it from like shooting up, you know, with uh doing heroin. And uh he was pretty much on hospitals not hospice, but he was in a hospital, you know, getting they were trying to find a way, you know, they still really hadn't kind of figured all that out yet, I don't think. And uh or at least he didn't have enough money for the right medicine. Maybe that's the way I should say it. But uh yeah, it was just an interview with him talking about the history of the band. It was, you know, he was he was pretty prominent and he was a big figure in their uh early years, and so I just kind of thought, well, I've heard this once before, I want to listen to it one more time. And I was in the mood to hear rat talk, I guess. So uh Kirsty, what podcast does he listen to?

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Oh, really, hardly anything at all. Um listened to the waffle last week. Really nice to hear Matt back. Yeah. Um got a bit confused because I thought there was gonna be one with Gen on it, but yeah. It was Gen's words, so that was good. Um he does like to do a long queek tote.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

Yeah, and I think there's more of that coming. There's more where that came from this week.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Well, it's always really interesting. Um I've started to listen to the Judas Priestcast, they're back.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

And I've got as far as hearing about what they've been up to, obviously Doomie's been a lot of trouble being over to the UK and Paris and whatnot. Yeah, just what they've been up to. Um briefly, um Jay having gone on your show had been mentioned, Doomie was complaining about the Peter Floyd talk. I think he said something about Creator as well.

SPEAKER_04 36:51

Oh how he loves them.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

Yeah, you're just living rent-free in his head now.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Dang. Dang that.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

Um but yeah, I haven't got very far into that yet, but um we finish that off when I get off this call.

SPEAKER_03 37:05

I did want to wait, I don't I I wanted to mention Andrew Whitnall real quick. Because he's talked a lot of smack about the wall, which is you know, fair enough if he doesn't like it, right? But I got it, I wanted to give him credit because he actually listened to the wall all the way through, and then Matthew. Yeah, you won't know this because you're you only show up on Twitter once every six months to to comment on a post that's over a month old.

SPEAKER_04 37:32

Cameo.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

Yeah, but um he also listened, I don't know if it was for the first time ever, or maybe the second time ever, to Operation Mind Crime. For the first time ever. I don't know if it was the first time, but it was he hasn't listened to it much.

SPEAKER_04 37:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

If he has. And you know, because because I was making comments about how comparing it to Seventh Son and the storyline and dialogue, and even Bruce himself said we should have done something like that. And so I just wanted to commend him for listening to both of those. So sorry, Matt, what were you gonna say now?

SPEAKER_04 38:07

Uh I don't recall.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

So it couldn't have been very important. Well, what podcast did you listen to then?

SPEAKER_04 38:11

Uh I did listen to Gen's Waffle Zone, although I was privy to it already, to what I said.

SPEAKER_03 38:18

You were on. You were you were like, I wish I here's one I wish I could have done.

SPEAKER_04 38:21

Here's one that uh that makes total sense. This person should be doing uh and then after that, the only other thing I listened to was uh an episode regarding Motorhead and Orgasmatron on music from a lifetime. And it's I don't know if I've ever been listened to that. But it was interesting. Just the I like listening to what Bill says. Bill does all the heavy lifting, all the scratching the surface to tell you what was happening at around the time. Bringing in a going from a three-piece to a four-piece, basically. Pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

But that was all.

SPEAKER_04 38:57

All I listened to.

SPEAKER_03 38:58

Okay, well, let's do the thank yous real quick, because this should take just a couple minutes, probably. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the quietroats, of course.

unknown 39:07

Bye.

SPEAKER_03 39:08

Bye, Kirsty.

SPEAKER_00 39:10

Alright, boy. I'll stick around.

SPEAKER_03 39:12

Okay. This week on the Well, well, we had two episodes, kinda, that came out last week. So we'll go start with this one, Matthew.

SPEAKER_04 39:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

This week on the Gen Mario Tani Zone. One, a man with thoughts. Two, a man with opinions. Three, a man with facts. Four, and I don't know anyone disagreeing with this one, a man smarter than Steve and Matt. Five, a man that we love. That's true as well. Six, six, six, seven bloodied hopes. And eight, a man with his own waffle zone. Now let's see who retweeted it and made a queek chute about it.

SPEAKER_04 39:51

He's not a man of sorrows, though, is he?

SPEAKER_03 39:54

Oh. How does that one go, by the way, Matt?

SPEAKER_04 40:00

Man of sorrows. How does the Iron Maiden one?

SPEAKER_03 40:05

Yeah, how does the Iron Maiden one go?

SPEAKER_00 40:11

As we look together. Oh, come on, Cursey.

SPEAKER_03 40:14

See, I know it. I didn't ask you, Kirsty. I knew you knew it. Alright, so here's who retweeted it. His royal dudeness, Dave in the USA. Uh Jesse, the Riffweiser in Illinois. Gen Mar Yutani in Chiba Japan retweeted his own waffle memorial thing. Uh the guy in Finland with this wicked beard and apparently great at recommending music, Kirsty.

SPEAKER_00 40:42

Yeah, hey, Villa.

SPEAKER_03 40:44

Fane of the Woods, Matt, and uh!

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Uh Silent Kev and Alice Springs.

SPEAKER_03 40:59

And lastly, the one Matt likes the best, I think. Ron Cougar Kramer Camp in Washington State.

SPEAKER_04 41:08

Cougs.

SPEAKER_03 41:09

Kougs. Alright, now let's see if we got a Queek Two, or well, we got about four or five of them. For Gen, yeah, let's let's let's start with our very own Kirsty Prince in Perth, Australia. I nearly missed this. Gen's queet chutes are so long now that they need a separate episode. Some intelligent and thought-provoking iron Heck Iron Maiden talk at last. Uh next up, Metal Cavern Bill. Or as you like to call him, Matthew.

SPEAKER_04 41:47

Mm-hmm. Iliam, the king of Mol Yol.

SPEAKER_03 41:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 41:51

Um the Mount the Mount Rushmore of podcasts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

The Behemoth?

SPEAKER_04 41:57

Oh, most definitely.

SPEAKER_03 41:58

The behem the he the Behemothra.

SPEAKER_04 42:02

Man of many names, but not Soros. Man of Soros.

SPEAKER_03 42:06

How's that one go again, Matt? Jeez.

SPEAKER_04 42:08

Uh something. I don't recall.

unknown 42:13

Forgotten already.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

Already. Okay, so this is what Bill says. I'm glad Gen's answers got their own slot. Great suggestion, Matthew, he says.

unknown 42:24

Cool, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 42:26

As he is always insightful with his answers, but his questions were also an interesting effort. Chi Cheers, Gen, for the thoughts. It inspired me to consider alternate universes as a result. Uh-oh. Okay, hold on. Um. Oof. I don't know how to Okay. This one has some Japanese writing in it from our friend Villa in uh Finland. I'll read the the first part. It says Gen O Chan's questions and answer zoned. And then there's some stuff written in um Japanese and uh can you not translate it? It won't let me it's not it's not offering me a translation.

SPEAKER_04 43:17

Well that's now, but surely you put some preparation into this before to do so.

SPEAKER_00 43:21

Yeah, I think I'm not ready.

SPEAKER_03 43:24

Well, I i if Matt can sing Man of Sorrows, then I'll then I can Kirsty's gonna try to whisper it to him.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

Something Man of Sorrows. I like to think of the way they go into like that little guitar lead break and all.

SPEAKER_00 43:41

He's got it though.

SPEAKER_04 43:43

He's got it. What's the Bruce one then? Now I've forgotten what the Bruce one is. Man of Sorry. Man of Sorrows. Oh, that's it. It's like there's only room for one. I can't have both. Yeah. Oh, that's just sad.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

Okay, so the translation, Matthew.

SPEAKER_04 43:58

You're welcome. I gave you time to do that.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Oh translates to Oh my god hashtag Gin O son or Hashtag Uncle Gin slash hashtag Villa Thanks Villa He almost need to design episode for all that you know he probably does he probably does Matthew Okay next up we have uh well I did a quick quote and I said listen to Gin's listen to the Gin Maritani zone Hesh Gin Mar Yutani He's earned it Hesh Iron Maiden Iron Maiden Do you know what?

SPEAKER_04 45:03

I know both the Manasaurus now. I just did it in my head while you were doing that. Anyway, just a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 45:11

Next up, Matthew. The man himself, Gen Marioitani in Chiba, Japan. Let's see here. And he says. At first I didn't realize. Oh, hold on. Where's that five-gallon bucket of water I'm supposed to pour it?

SPEAKER_04 45:33

That made me laugh, seeing that. Like for real, made me laugh. Snort?

SPEAKER_03 45:38

Did you snort?

SPEAKER_04 45:39

No, I didn't. I just got a good chuckle out loud and thought that that should be he's pre that should be your pregame before you do it.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

Yeah, I saw that. At first I didn't realize that my Queen Troats weren't in the waffle zone. I just went through the episode and enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 45:55

How could you not realize that the episode was about 20 minutes shorter?

SPEAKER_03 45:58

Yeah, no. But a couple of hours later I saw this and I went, what the crap? I didn't know I recorded. I didn't record an episode. Thank you, Uncle Steve and Matt, for reading all of my comments. Just like reunion I love when he said this, oh I love this. Just like reunion era Iron Maiden, my answers are getting longer and more progressive. What a great answer. After I stopped playing in a band, I never really had anyone to talk to or discuss music with until I found this platform, Twitter, and this podcast. I always observed music and had many opinions and thoughts in my head, but I had nowhere to express or share them. Now I have more than a thousand followers who love to talk about music with me. That is awesome. That's awesome. I'm truly grateful for all of the friendships I have and the platform and entertainment Steve provides every week. And then he said, uh I'll read, I'll go through the thread here too. Oh, by the way, Simon McBride is the current guitarist of Deep Purple, and he's in his late 40s. Remember we were asking who Simon was last week, Matt?

SPEAKER_04 47:16

I do recall.

SPEAKER_03 47:18

And so I responded and I said, You're the man, Gen. I totally understand not having anyone to get in depth with about our love of music. That's why I started the podcast. Had no idea that I would connect with people as cool as you, but it's the best part of it. Thanks for participating and being in the post-2000 phase of your queet chwoke career. He said, I cannot thank you enough, Steve. I met so many people on this platform platform through your podcast. I'm getting dehydrated, I think, Matt.

SPEAKER_04 47:48

I think you're thinking of the album name Splatform.

SPEAKER_03 48:01

And then I said um something else to him, didn't I? I said, you thanked me enough. And honestly, you participating and sharing in-depth thoughts is a huge thing. It means you care enough to share and be a part. Not a lot of people do that, and certainly no one does it the way you do. I wish more would. Well, not sure. I may be I may get dehydrated. Even more dehydrated, I guess would be the correct term, Matt. Yeah. But seriously, Gen, all the thanks back to you as well. The feeling is mutual. And then Gen posted a picture that says Steve getting ready for the waffle zone with a man holding a five-gallon bucket of water over his head and dumping the entire thing into his mouth. Which was awesome. Which is awesome. So and then Gen or Bill came on and said, nice one, Gen. And he said, Thanks, Bill. So happy to get to know a person like you as well. So awesome. Gen really is like the nicest guy. And thankfully he listens to the podcast. Because, you know, he's awesome. So. And uh I think that was all the Queach was for that one. I want to make sure. I don't want to leave anybody out here. But now it says they're not loading, so uh let's see about the other waffle zone or the real the main waffle zone, Matthew.

SPEAKER_04 49:33

I think you were right with the other waffle zone.

SPEAKER_03 49:35

Yeah, the other one. This week on the waffle zone, more Carhorn.

SPEAKER_04 49:41

More Two O to J.

SPEAKER_03 49:45

O to J. Two, more Pink Floyd talk. Three, the return of Matt. Four, the love of the hopeless romantic. Five, more of Matt and his K's? K Light this week. Six six six seven Deadly Sins. Eight Resident Idiots. Nine. Matt has gripes. Did he? What did I have gripes about? Gripping about me not listening to anything you recommend or something. That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

Probably just getting sick of him listening to Black Label Society.

SPEAKER_03 50:22

Five minutes after someone.

SPEAKER_04 50:24

Five minutes after someone recommends you should listen to this, you do it.

SPEAKER_03 50:27

And funny enough, the last one. 10? Steve doesn't remember? Even though I just did remember. Alright, so here we go. Uh, real quickly, the um maybe real quickly, we'll see. Uh, the reposts, his royal duden is Dave in the USA. Where's your story? Uh next up, um Doomy McDoom Butt, um, the biggest Bon Jovi and Kiss fan that I know, I think. And uh uh next up, Jesse, the Riffweiser in Illinois. Uh next up there after him, Gen Mario Tani, the happiest man in podcast land, Matt. Indeed, he is. Yeah. And Matthew, the next guy. The guy in Finland that we all strive to be like.

SPEAKER_04 51:19

Yo, Villa!

SPEAKER_03 51:22

Next up, the hopeless romantic of the podcast.

SPEAKER_04 51:27

Your profanity uh should we send out a big F to J?

SPEAKER_03 51:30

No, don't. Okay. Your profanity inspiration, though, from last week. Yeah. Kirsty Prince in Perth, Australia. Uh Outback Mark, and um Alice Spring.

SPEAKER_01 51:50

Silent Kev. Also Alice Spring.

SPEAKER_03 52:04

Oh, I love it. I love it when it says these stupid things aren't loading when I need to read them. Okay. So let's see if they're up here anywhere, Matt. Did anybody do a surely somebody did?

SPEAKER_00 52:20

Que to it on the waffle.

SPEAKER_03 52:21

Yeah, quiet to it on the waffle.

SPEAKER_00 52:23

I definitely did one because I did one that said more pocket talk.

SPEAKER_03 52:29

Ah, I do remember that.

SPEAKER_00 52:31

And it was a piece of dynamite with his tater tots in his pocket.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

Yeah, okay, well, let me um let me see if I can bring it up. Yeah, I this is disappointing because for some reason it just doesn't want to show me this and I don't get it. Try again. Try again. It does that all the time though. Okay, well let's let's try if I go on uh my computer.

SPEAKER_00 52:59

And uh can't get them up either.

SPEAKER_03 53:01

I think it's uh it's a uh problem.

SPEAKER_00 53:05

X issue.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

Yeah, this is this is very disappointing. Um okay, let me try it this other way. Okay, um what's this? What's this? Okay, here we go. I can scroll down and read them. Here we go. How about that? I can just scroll down the page. We're gonna start off with um Doomy McDoom butt, Matthew.

SPEAKER_04 53:35

The Jove. Jove fan.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

Oh, what now?

SPEAKER_04 53:39

He's a fan of the Jove, isn't he?

SPEAKER_03 53:41

The Jove, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 53:43

He had to cancel his concert the other day for some reason.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

Oh no, he was he was already doing it.

SPEAKER_03 53:48

Yeah, I think he was about an hour and a half in. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:50

Yeah, and then he said he had to go.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

I think he got a text from Doomy McDoomba. They were supposed to meet for d dinner and he didn't he wasn't gonna wait around. McDinner. Okay, so yeah. Yeah, uh Franchie McFrybutt had to meet him at the meeting. So here we go.

SPEAKER_00 54:07

He says he said he was hurt, but some people thought he needed to go to the toilet.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

I could have been. So this is what Doomy McDoonbutt says, Matt. Yeah. He starts off with this word. Matt got Steve a bit quote uh parentheses car. So when I say car, it's in parentheses. Matt got Steve a bit car horny at the end. That's right. Bill is wrong. Pink Floyd are not average. Pink Floyd is battling it out with Thor and Creator and Anvil and Kiss for most annoying band I have to hear about. Speaking of annoying, the pocket talk has got to stop. Next up, Kirsty Prince says, More pocket talk. And then she put one of my, you know, a really favorite one of my I love Napoleon Dynamite, the movie, so the whole thing I was showing it uh to Sarah last night, Kirsty. The we just kept going back and forth with all the different memes. Yeah, I love that. That was great. Let's see here. Uh okay, here we go. It says, um, look, here's a quick quote um from something I already read. Let's go to this one, Matt. Yeah. From Metal Cavern Bill. And he says, Second straight week of requiring the skip button. Is this to become a regular requirement of the waffle zone? I mean, holy crap, all three of us listened to Pink Boy this week.

SPEAKER_00 55:54

I just thought of that. Yeah, and not only that, I I what does he mean? Is this only the second time he skipped a bit?

SPEAKER_03 56:01

He never skips the in the waffle zone, apparently.

SPEAKER_00 56:04

That's incredible. A threshold for pain. It's about time you gave yourself a little break.

SPEAKER_03 56:10

There was people years ago that that was like there's a whole episode I could skip, you know? Bill is not one of those kind of people. Yeah, I know. He he says the length of the episode suggests our co-hosts have been apart for too long and needed to catch up. Their banter is as fun as it always is. That's very nice of him.

SPEAKER_00 56:34

Unless he means not very episode was too long.

SPEAKER_03 56:37

It's kind of funny because we just read his, and then let me read the next one from the honorable counselor, Sir Richard Holmes of the Ulster Unionist Party, in Garva, Northern Ireland. The only official pod uh politician of this podcast. And this is what he says, contrary to what Bill just said. Really enjoyable chats recently on Pink Floyd. It's funny how one Bill's like, is this ever gonna end? And the counselor loves it. So it's like one of those alternative realities. It's almost like they're running against each other for office. One of them is running on the Pink Floyd platform, and the other guy is vehemently against it.

SPEAKER_04 57:19

So interesting.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

Choose your side wisely. Okay, he says, maybe Okay, again, in contrast to what Bill just said, I'm gonna start over. Really enjoyable chats recently on Pink Floyd. Maybe worth a deeper dive on the podcast? Re Maiden's future, I struggle to see anything beyond nostalgia tours. Sadly so. But we'll always have Paris. Most of the show anyway. I guess they're continually having uh oh. Problems recording that. Next up we have a seven parter from Andrew Whitnall. Maybe I Seven Parts?

SPEAKER_00 58:12

Yeah, come on.

SPEAKER_03 58:15

It starts very ginlock. It starts off with a photo of Pink Floyd the Wall's album cover. And he says, Did I think I liked Pink Floyd's The Wall the one and only time I listened to it about 35 years ago because I thought I ought to like it? Well, maybe the answer is that having not returned to it between then and now, probably not. Now I know why. Um Having listened to Listened to it this week, I'm questioning whether I actually made it through the whole album originally. Twenty-six tracks, eighty-one minutes, pretentious, bloated, self-indulgent, exhausting. Some of the criticisms of the album I've read since listening to it. And I'd agree with them all. And give Roger Waters well-known, repugnant views, I'd add hypocritical to the list of indictments. Two tracks, Another Brick in the Wall and Comfortably Numb, are deserving of high praise. Numb is brilliant. A few other tracks are okay, but nothing I'd choose to return to. Apart from those two classic tracks, the only other real highlight was that Skylark at the beginning of Goodbye Blue Sky. Golly. If only there was a mutt was much more Skylark and far less Roger Waters on this album. It was bloody hard going af going and after comfortably numb, pretty much pointless. The descent into a musical parody for the last few tracks really tested my patience. Was this really a serious piece of work and a best-selling album? Yeah, it actually is in like the top 40 albums of all time sold ever. Probably combine all those Motorhead albums you love, and they probably didn't even reach a fraction of that. After giving up on Dark Side of the Moon and persevering with the wall and regretting it, I don't hold out much hope for the rest of Pink Floyd's catalog. I don't think I can handle any more. But um The Hopeless Romantic, Jay, there is an 81-minute long album that doesn't feel like 81 hours. It flies by with track after track of engaging, emotional, thought-provoking songs, and utterly brilliant music which always leaves me wanting more. Matthew, it's called Senjutsu. I like Uh Then a couple of people start arguing with him below. I won't name any of them. Although one of them was me. Uh little bit. Well, I wasn't really arguing. I mean, I get it. If if you don't like something, you don't like something. If you don't like and we we we know that uh that he's a political guy. Um Andrew, so if um I mean educated. Yeah, yeah. Uh let's see if there's any other ones here. Uh that from the waffle zone itself. Uh those are from Kerse again. Um, let's see here. Any other ones here? Oh, I was here's the one we were waiting for. Oh. Matthew, here's the one we were waiting for. This one. Well, I got one from Jesse about the Gen Marie Tani zone that just said this will be good. And um let me make sure it's you under the trades description. Yeah. Let me uh make sure I got all these out of the way before I start reading this next one. Okay, here we go, Matt.

unknown 1:02:11

Yeah.

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We're gonna close out uh the waffle zone, Matthew, with a quick one from Gen Marutani. I'm being sarcastic here.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:26

I know.

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Here we go. And I like it because of the way he starts off. I was hoping that the voice of reason would come back. But the wheels of the reckless car, comma, Matthew have returned instead.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:43

I saw that. I'm not sure how I was supposed to take that. Or maybe I do know how to take it.

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Yeah. As I was listening to Uncle Steve talk about how creative musicians were back in the day to come up with a certain sound or noise, something clicked in my head and started making a lot of sense. Now, all I gotta say, Matt, is if I said something that made something click and Gen's head start making a lot of sense, I'm doing something right last week. That's all I can say. Or well, that's what Gin said. Well, that's what Gen said. So any well, it's not all he said. Recently, I was wondering why I cannot get into newer bands. I thought it was my age, but as soon as I heard what Steve said, I was like, maybe this is the reason why I'm not attracted to a lot of recent music. Oh, Matt, you gotta hear this next sentence. Steve is 100% right. I think we can end the episode on that, really, you know. Start and end. Um, writing music was more than writing songs, especially from the 60s to the 80s. Music was expression and experimentation for musicians. Bands experimented with many things. Some of them failed truly noise and garbage, and some of them, like Pink Floyd, succeeded. Take that, Andrew. And I think many record companies allowed musicians to write songs by themselves and to engage in experimentation because they were looking for the next big thing, but they weren't sure what that would be. That's a good point. Even some metal bands like Iron Maiden experimented a lot in the 80s. You can hear their creativity and experimentation in the middle section of Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, the intro of Alexander the Great, or Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. Musicians had a lot of space to do things. This experimentation allowed their music to evolve gradually but surely. I was surprised that they could still come up with songs like Senjutsu and the Parchment in their 60s. However, the landscape has changed since illegal downloading became a thing in the late 90s. Record companies started looking for safe investments rather than the next big thing. They wanted to guarantee hits, so they started hiring songwriters and told bands to collaborate with them, and it limited many musicians' ability to write and experiment. I cannot imagine any record company today would invest a ton of money in a new band with some psychedelic or strange progressive rock music. The only bands who still make experimental music are older folks who have a lot of money or some weird indie labels. The limitation has been largely created by businesses and partially by music fans. I don't want to be one of those, oh, back in my day everything was better, guys. I'm pretty sure though, there are I'm sorry, I'm I'm pretty sure there are so many great bands out there. But as I was listening to this episode, I realized that I might be having a hard time. Time finding something new and fresh. To be fair to newer bands, I know it's extremely difficult to come up with something at this point. See if this continues, Matthew. I can't tell. Maybe that's where he ends. Okay, wait a minute. Nope. It goes on. Here we go. Second part, Matt. Okay, it's not nearly as long as the first part. I cannot call myself a pink a big Pink Floyd fan, but I can certainly enjoy their music, especially from metal to the wall. Many people talk about Roger Waters and David Gilmore. I rarely see comments about Nick Mason, but I think his contribution to Pink Floyd's music was huge. He isn't as technical as other drummers from the 70s progressive rock bands. However, his drumming style and technique made Pink Floyd sound like Pink Floyd. That floating feeling largely comes from his unique style. That's a great point. I remember the first time I watched the Pulse Live video when I was in college. Sure, David Gilmore was great and all, but what impressed me the most was Nick Mason's drumming. He creates the mood and color for each song, shifting it masterfully track by track. The moment he hits a drum, he creates a unique feeling. Just like Bill Ward of Black Sabbath creates that iconic groove as soon as he hits the first big beat of War Pigs. Anyway, all I wanted to say was that Nick Mason deserves way more appreciation. Oh, by the way, the reason I like Pink Floyd is that they're very progressive without being overcomplicated or too technical. I actually find some similarities with Iron Maiden there. And with that, Matthew and Kirsty, cheers, everybody.

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Goodbye. The end of the day.